Interesting thing happend last night...
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Interesting thing happend last night...
The Slave cylinder tore away from the transfer case mid shift..... 
It was really quite fun, as I was pulling in to traffic at the time.
Towed it to the local honda dealership, and they said they've never seen that happen. So, they need one of their inspectors to come out and see if they will cover it under my extended warrenty.
Note: I do not beat on my transmission or the clutch... tires and suspension... yes... Clutch... No. The car has 85,000+ miles on it with the original Clutch, no slipage no nothing....
It was really quite fun, as I was pulling in to traffic at the time.Towed it to the local honda dealership, and they said they've never seen that happen. So, they need one of their inspectors to come out and see if they will cover it under my extended warrenty.
Note: I do not beat on my transmission or the clutch... tires and suspension... yes... Clutch... No. The car has 85,000+ miles on it with the original Clutch, no slipage no nothing....
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Originally Posted by Sickboy
That is weird. I take it you didn't hear any noises or feel anything strange lately?
Nothing.. even with 85,000+ miles on the stock clutch. 1st gear clutch acutation was nomal, 2nd was the same.... 3rd... Clutch drops to the floor and stays there.
Like I said, I dont beat on my transmission, I beat on my tires and suspension.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
What is the slave cylinder?
It acts as a booster for the hydrolic clutch, increasing the PSI of the hydrolic fluid to make using the clutch easier.
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Originally Posted by AggressiveAdam
you probably need a new johnson rod
(seinfeld)
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nah, I replaced mine with a Digital one... should be good for 15,000,000 more Parsecs.
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Rep Power: 380 Right now I am in "negotiations" with Honda Care over weather or not my warrety is valed at all. (I have the 10Year 100,000 mile extended). Honda Care states " Honda does not warrenty modified cars at all" which is 1. Contrary to what the contract says. and 2. Illigal Under Fedral Law.
I've talked to there service reps, I've talked to their managers.... at this point I am involving my Lawyer.
Just to note, the only part in the entire warrenty contract that covers modified parts is
IV. what is not covered
C. Any repair if a non-authorized part caused or contributed to the michanical failure.
and since NONE of the modifications on my car have ever dealt with the transmission, its housing, the clutch or the hydrolic system of that clutch. I'd say that they havent got a leg to stand on.
BTW, the Transmission housing is the part that broke (at the Slave cylinders mounting point) which caused the problem. a nice $1800+ repair just to replace the transmission housing.
I've talked to there service reps, I've talked to their managers.... at this point I am involving my Lawyer.
Just to note, the only part in the entire warrenty contract that covers modified parts is
IV. what is not covered
C. Any repair if a non-authorized part caused or contributed to the michanical failure.
and since NONE of the modifications on my car have ever dealt with the transmission, its housing, the clutch or the hydrolic system of that clutch. I'd say that they havent got a leg to stand on.
BTW, the Transmission housing is the part that broke (at the Slave cylinders mounting point) which caused the problem. a nice $1800+ repair just to replace the transmission housing.
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
BTW, the Transmission housing is the part that broke (at the Slave cylinders mounting point) which caused the problem. a nice $1800+ repair just to replace the transmission housing.
Crap thats a lot of money. Is it too complicated to do yourself if required?
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Crap thats a lot of money. Is it too complicated to do yourself if required?
Much too complicated.... to do at an appartment. you have to basically disassmble the whole transmission.
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To replace a slave cylinder? That is easy. Its bolted to the outside of the transmission.
And FYI, it is not a booster. It is what actuates the clutch on the side of the transmission.
And FYI, it is not a booster. It is what actuates the clutch on the side of the transmission.
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Originally Posted by 4drcivic2k1
To replace a slave cylinder? That is easy. Its bolted to the outside of the transmission.
And FYI, it is not a booster. It is what actuates the clutch on the side of the transmission.
And FYI, it is not a booster. It is what actuates the clutch on the side of the transmission.
Um, its the transmission housing thats broken..... the slave cylinder is fine.
you probably know of this but here it is anyway
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/magnusonmoss.htm
not much arguement there....
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/magnusonmoss.htm
not much arguement there....
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Rep Power: 0 Agreed, your case is a little more extreme than un bolting it and bolting the new one. They should be able to repair the casing however. Any decent aluminum welder will be able to, depending on how messed up it is.
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Rep Power: 380 Well. Honda Care has officially Denyed my claim and Voided my warrenty. So at this point I am in the process of suing Honda under Breach of contract and Violation of Federal Law (US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312)...
wish me luck
wish me luck
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BTW dont go all crazy on lawyers cuz it will cost you more that just getting a used tranny and having some friends hook it up for you..Im sure some people here would be willing to help you out...
BTW dont go all crazy on lawyers cuz it will cost you more that just getting a used tranny and having some friends hook it up for you..Im sure some people here would be willing to help you out... 
Originally Posted by Zzyzx
Well. Honda Care has officially Denyed my claim and Voided my warrenty. So at this point I am in the process of suing Honda under Breach of contract and Violation of Federal Law (US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312)...
wish me luck
wish me luck
rape those ****ers clean. they have no right to refuse to fix it. you'll win but to bad it'll cost you money for a lawyer. 
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20800 Madrona Ave
Torrance Ca 90503
Attn. Brian Davis, Claims Management.
This letter is notification of my intent to seek arbitration in regards to contract # V000930440. Honda Care has denied warranty work as well as canceled the contract citing that the car in question has been modified. I believe this to be a Breach of contract as well as a violation of US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312.
In my communications with Honda Care, I have been told flat out that they do not warranty modified Vehicles. However it clearly states in the extended service contract (section IV) that the only time a warranty repair will be denied is if a modification "caused or contributed to the MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN". I put forward that NONE of the modifications that have been done to the car could have caused or contributed to the failure of the transmission housing or they hydraulic system of the clutch (e.g., the slave cylinder). Further more, the denial of warranty coverage and subsequent cancellation of the service contract by Honda Care is in Violation of US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312 which states:
Section 2302. Rules governing contents of warranties
(c) Prohibition on conditions for written or implied warranty; waiver by Commission No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if -
(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and
(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefore.
Excerpts from Honda Care Extended warranty contract
IV. WHAT IS NOT COVERED
C. Any repair if a non-authorized part of accessory caused or contributed to the MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN
D. Repairs needed in whole or in part due to:
- failure to perform maintenance services, from the use of fuels, oils or lubricants other then those required by YOUR Owner's Manual or as otherwise specified by AMERICAN HONDA;
- failure to stop driving or protect YOUR VEHICLE from further damage after a MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN occurs;
- misuse or abuse (e.g., overloading, racing, or snow plowing) or from negligence, modification, alteration, tampering, disconnection, improper towing, improper adjustments or servicing, or using the VEHICLE in any manner not recommended by AMERICAN HONDA;
-environmental causes such as rust, water leaks, acid rain, fall-out (e.g., chemicals, tree sap), salt hail, flood, lightning, fire, windstorm, corrosion, earthquakes or other acts of Nature;
- accidental loss, or external causes such as war, riot, vandalism, or other cause beyond the reasonable control of the parties;
- contaminated fluids, lubricants or sludge;
- vibration, deterioration, discoloration, deformation and or fading;
- any condition that existed prior to the sale that was discovered during the pre-sale inspection.
I would also ask that you take a look at the records from the dealer in regards to the transmission related repairs that have been done with in the last few years.
In light of the above, I would like Honda Care to reimburse me for the cost of repairs, and the cost of car rental during those repairs.
20800 Madrona Ave
Torrance Ca 90503
Attn. Brian Davis, Claims Management.
This letter is notification of my intent to seek arbitration in regards to contract # V000930440. Honda Care has denied warranty work as well as canceled the contract citing that the car in question has been modified. I believe this to be a Breach of contract as well as a violation of US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312.
In my communications with Honda Care, I have been told flat out that they do not warranty modified Vehicles. However it clearly states in the extended service contract (section IV) that the only time a warranty repair will be denied is if a modification "caused or contributed to the MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN". I put forward that NONE of the modifications that have been done to the car could have caused or contributed to the failure of the transmission housing or they hydraulic system of the clutch (e.g., the slave cylinder). Further more, the denial of warranty coverage and subsequent cancellation of the service contract by Honda Care is in Violation of US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312 which states:
Section 2302. Rules governing contents of warranties
(c) Prohibition on conditions for written or implied warranty; waiver by Commission No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if -
(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and
(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefore.
Excerpts from Honda Care Extended warranty contract
IV. WHAT IS NOT COVERED
C. Any repair if a non-authorized part of accessory caused or contributed to the MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN
D. Repairs needed in whole or in part due to:
- failure to perform maintenance services, from the use of fuels, oils or lubricants other then those required by YOUR Owner's Manual or as otherwise specified by AMERICAN HONDA;
- failure to stop driving or protect YOUR VEHICLE from further damage after a MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN occurs;
- misuse or abuse (e.g., overloading, racing, or snow plowing) or from negligence, modification, alteration, tampering, disconnection, improper towing, improper adjustments or servicing, or using the VEHICLE in any manner not recommended by AMERICAN HONDA;
-environmental causes such as rust, water leaks, acid rain, fall-out (e.g., chemicals, tree sap), salt hail, flood, lightning, fire, windstorm, corrosion, earthquakes or other acts of Nature;
- accidental loss, or external causes such as war, riot, vandalism, or other cause beyond the reasonable control of the parties;
- contaminated fluids, lubricants or sludge;
- vibration, deterioration, discoloration, deformation and or fading;
- any condition that existed prior to the sale that was discovered during the pre-sale inspection.
I would also ask that you take a look at the records from the dealer in regards to the transmission related repairs that have been done with in the last few years.
In light of the above, I would like Honda Care to reimburse me for the cost of repairs, and the cost of car rental during those repairs.
that a boy zzyzx. i think that letter is perfect and outlines the situation clearly. if you don't win your case then the system is seriously ****ed. i can't believe honda is such a bunch of bitches. good luck.
