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so, June 28th is the big day, who will u be voting for ?


I personally am going Conservative, i am sick of the damn liberals wasting our tax dollers.

 
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Liberals ... social programs will die if the conservatives get in ... cutting tax is great, but at what cost ...

Edit: By the way, great thread

 
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Well I'm not sure what McGuinty did will keep Martin from winning and really in all fairness, it shouldn't. Martin inherited a **** storm when he took over and I think he was set up by Chretien with alot of it.

I'm really thinking Liberal because they seem to be the one's that will help to rejunviate our Armed Forces which have been shamefully dismantled by the Chretien government. I'm not saying that we need to build a war machine but we should build it back to the point where they can do their jobs with the right equipment and be safe for god sakes.

Thank god McGuinty won't get back in. I really love his higher taxes for the lower and middle class. That fuc(ktard never even blinked at the rich shitz in this fuggin province.

and yes....Great thread!

 
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GO BLOC GO!!! he he, Quebec needs to be heard! lol, but seriously, i'll never vote for em

I guess that means i'm liberal, unless i'm too lazy on voting day!

 
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but what about the marijuana party? or even the marxist-leninist or communist parties? you forgot those in your poll

 
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the problem with the liberals is that they have been in power for so long, they have become so big that its almost to the point were they can do whatever they want, thats why i dont support them, its like big corporation, when they get too big.

 
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^it's hard not to agree with that, i'm just going Liberal by default, cause i don't like the other choices

 
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Liberals, plain and simple, I'm happy with things now, I'm not getting ****ed over. I follow American politics a lot more than Canadian though.

 
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Liberals for me. I did consider a change at first, but the choices that are there aren't too appealing to me. But like civicstyle82 said, I've been following American politics more than Canadian politics.

 
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in regards to the provincial elections that took place...I believe people should've been more tactical about their ****...we all knew the the liberals were gonna win...with that said voting for the liberals would've been a waste of a vote...what a lot of people should've done was vote for the oppostion so that we would not hand over a majority goverment to the liberals...now we're ****ed for 4 years....they can do what they want, with no opposition force

 
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^^^True, but if they had an opposition the conservatives (assuming the the NDP came in 3rd as always) nothing would get done .. and lets be realistic, what Dalton did in his budget, was what Ontario needs -- plus I doubt the Federal government is going to do anything to drastic ...funding is need for social programs ... Mike Harris killed Health Care and Education.. yes it may cost you more, but what doesn't these days (speaking about the province obviously, not federal)

 
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I agree....but if you are making middle class or low-middle class type of salary its really messed up...I think the fact that he's lied soooo much is what gets me and other people...and all these new things that are being cut or taxed extra now is f*cked up. Example, the eye examinations no longer being covered under OHIP, now to the average person thats not a big deal. however, I was born with glaucoma, after my operation (in portugal) I had moved to Toronto (19 years ago)...up until a few years ago I had to go see my eye specialist about 4-6 times a year to make sure everything was ok. Now Im only going once a year, but its gonna cost me. Now imagine these mothers/fathers that don't have a lot of money and have a child in the same situation I was in...how can they afford it??? if they can't afford the result can be their child going blind. Think about that, I was going 6 times a year, suppose nobody in power in the coming years ever puts it back to be covered. in a 10 year period...(6 times a year at $100 at the least a visit, $600 a year, times 10 years = $6000). And Im sure its more money than that for a visit, plus medication...if you're a single mother/father making mid to high 20G's a year....how do u afford that???

car insurance...why is it that my insurance is more than my car monthly, with a clean record, why did it go up 40% in a 6 month period for no reason. he addressed this prior to being elected, and now????? nothing...now people that can't afford insurance can't drive, but they need to get to work, but work is maybe a 1 hour drive from home, which now turns to about 2-3 hours on the ttc...and if they can't do that? they lose their jobs...

what bothers me is that the "poor people" get hurt the most in this...

 
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W3rd!! They screwed over Average Joe and let Joe Millionaire carry on as per normal.

 
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Don't get me started on insurance (I work for an insurance company as a litigation adjuster).. I agree with what your saying, but whats the alternative? I consider myself lucky to live in Canada, Health care here is pretty good compared to other countires ... Yeah its not perfect, but atleast their not turning us away because we don't have medical insurance ... And if you spend without taxing, your not only going to sink farther into debt, but your going to set your economy up for a big recession in 2-3 years ... Which means unemployment and a financial strain on the economy and those of us still working .. Solution? Your guess is as good as mine ...

 
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Insurance companies are the legal way of stealing money from people without consequence...**** them all...other than that...

what you are sayin about tax is true, but u gotta think....our paychecks get dedicuted upwards of the 20 percential, we pay 7% and 8% (ontario) on everything we buy, now tax is going up on everything....and our economy still struggles, something doesn't add up....who knows, cuz I don't...but Im getting sick of taxes going up constantly and this and that going up....but "we" (ontario) don't have money for this and for that...

taxing isn't the answer to the problems...how about they (politicians) stop increasing they're ****in' pay every little bit like 20% at a time, how about they stop going on vacations and **** using our money....

on the insurance thing, ok I don't understand...these ****ers say they're getting hurt on the whole "false claims" ****, but yet they always turn up profits on a quartly basis...

there's no excuse to it...its as simple as this, its easy to steal from the poor and do whatever u ****in' want, and that will always happen...the government is like that big fat bully in school that takes your lunch money leaving u with a dollar to shut up...

**** it, Im leaving this country as soon as I can...I've LIVED in other countries, and I'll say this much, Canada isn't as great as people say...and usually the people that say this are people that have only left canada, if that, for 1 or 2 week vacations...

oh and another thing....citizens of Canada are pus*sy's when it comes to the government cuz u never see people protesting and fighting for what they want...u just turn your face and say "oh but we have free health care"...what happens when that goes away, CUZ IT WILL????

 
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and on the whole insurance thing...I was paying a nice 250 a month....and for no reason on two seperate occations, the last being the renewal, it went up all the way to 450 (no claims no tickets nuttin) and then I get a little half *** memo trying to give reason for the increases...**** THEM!!!! That's ****ed and the government wont do **** cuz the tax u pay on your payments goes to them so the higher the better (tax wise)...tell me that isn't straight ****in' somebody in their *** wit no lube!!!

the biggest mistake was the government leaving insurance companies to decide their rates without any control...what was the reason, oh yeah to promote competitiveness, there is no competitiveness, every insurance companies wips out their *****' and rapes you...u just get to chose how hard u want it...lol...this is no friggin' laughing matter though!!!!

Competitiveness ddeeeeezzzz nuts

yo Im friggin' pissed off now...lol

 
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Well another issue is GAS prices. Canada produces more oil then it need, but the government chooses to Sell most of our oil to other countries, and import gas from the middle east and tax it, that way they make more money from the taxes we pay on the gas, and we are left at the mercy of the market prices and oil compnaies.

Why dont they just regulate it so that all our oil comes from inside canada, that way we can have a fairly fixed price, and pay less. the Government will be making less money, but that will leave more money in the pocket of the consumer in which will boost the economy more.

to much bullshit

 
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Well , if you really want to debate insurance, I will, but I see the other side, the side comsumers don't so I have an advantage ... they don't steal..... Companies do have to file and have thier rates approved by the Financial Services Commission of Ontario ... just an FYI.. Oh yeah, auto insurance hasn't made money for any company in 20-30 years ... Companies make money in other sectors and through investments, not auto insurance, so before you start ranting about profits, take a look at ANY company in Ontario and you will see an underwriting LOSS, not profit ... companies file combined profits ... read a finanical statement and get back to me superstar

As for Oil, the US gets most of its Oil from US, more specifically from Alberta ... Thats a big export for us, so although we may be gettin gtaxed, we also get a lot of money from export ...

 
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Wow, I really thought only the US had a foreign oil problem. If I had my way we'd be in the Alaskan ANWR by now and doing the same great job that Prudhoe Bay turned out to be as far as environmental awareness.

And on another note, as an American military reservist I'm infinitely curious about the Canadian Forces. I was in Vancouver last year and saw a roundtable TV discussion on the Forces and had no idea you all had so many international commitments and such. Is there a site to visit to educate me or someone on 7thGen that I can talk shop with? I'm deploying next weekend for a month out to someplace nice and sunny and sandy, for those who don't know I'm a munitions handler for F-16's in the NJ Air National Guard.

I also got to sit in the cockpit of your version of our F/A-18 (CF-18 or -188, drawing a blank) at an airshow that I did some public affairs work at this summer, and the previous summer at the same show I saw the Snowbirds...they were a refreshing difference from the US jet teams. Some down here would knock them for flying a slower non-combat jet and flying at wider intervals, but I disagree...9 aircraft makes for good visuals and something certainly not seen every day in the States.

 
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ok so u know what...plain and simple than....since I obviously don't know as much as u when it comes to insurance...

you believe that it's fair the prices we're gettin charged for car insurance...if not, thats what your above statement insinuates.

unlike the "lucky" people that get to work for insurance companies, not everybody has an inside source to know exactly what goes on, when u watch the news, and they mention that so and so insurance company has made this and that much money, car insurance does account for it, and when they are specifically speaking about car insurance before hand, a "normal" person for me is gonna automatically get pissed that we are getting ripped off...

agree or disagree, as purchaser of car insurance, do u believe Im getting ripped off, concidering my car is under my fathers name as first driver 20 years with a licence and no claims or tickets, and my self as the occational driver...and my insurance is +5G's a year...nomatter what company I go to its all the same quote +/- 50-100 dollars??? just straight yes or no, do u agree or disagree with that type of price?

Everybody is getting ****ed over by insurance companies, regardless of working for one u should just admit that....THEY ARE STEALING....

oh and this was a dope conversation without any personal attacks so you can **** off wit that whole "read a finanical statement and get back to me superstar" comment...

 
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Sup d00d. It's the CF-18 (CF=Canadian Fighter) and I've had the opportunity to fly in one once before when I was in the Air Cadets...It was unreal. Best 2 hours EVER!

Ummm..our military have WAY too many commitments for their size thanks to our previous government tearing them down and yet still sending them out to clean up the aftermath of whatever wars are ending and so on. I'm not sure what it was you wanted to be "Educated" in but here's the Canadian Forces main page...DND

 
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Then don't act like you know what your talking about ... I don't pretend to know everything about Glaucoma, so don't sit there and tell me that Companies are making a profit on auto insurance when obviously, with PROOF, they are not...do you believe everything you see on TV, without taking the next step and finding out for yourself ... you relaize that there are 300 insurance companies in Ontario ... of those 300, an average of $2 million was made per company, and the rest was made by RBC since they have to report combined profits ... here's an idea, trying pricing a couple of companies, or get a broker... they get the best rate availbale.... lets remember insurance companies are in business to make money ... there not non-profit orgainizations ... so yes they want to make money, but the certainly don't do it with auto premiums .. the only reason half the companies sell auto insurance is because its mandatory ... And everybody is not getting ripped by companies, I'm not... why, because I am smart enough to know how to find a proper rate ... Your rate, for a 20 year old in what , Toronto ? I would need more details, driving record, type of car, who else is listed on the policy, what you are doing with the car (commuting, business).... If you saw how much fraud was in the industry, and that lack of consequences for such actions, you would know where your dollars are going

Edit: Ya it was a "dope" conversation, but why do you feel the need to swear left and right? Why do you think I threw that in ...

 
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I'm paying $128/month for my 2K1 Si Coupe. I have full coverage and a $500 deductable and it's not listed as a vehicle I drive to work. I'm also over 25 with a spotless driving record and 0 claims against me. Been driving since I was 16. I dont know, I think I'm getting screwed somehow...I know people younger (under 25) with the same car that are paying less.

 
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Thanks much, will do the reading when I get the spare time. What it is that I want to know is pretty much the basics - sizes, setups, maybe a rank chart, etc. The Forces don't make a lot of news, so I wanna read it for myself. Thanks again.

 
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swearin' right and left is complete different than a direct personal attack...ok but regardless of any of that...

I've looked at several companies, I've gone to more than one broker, and its the same....

the point, beyond anything, is that I feel, like the majority of people, that insurance companies are taking advantage of their "power" and over charging insurance...dude, just admit it...its true...

I agree, and its obvious that insurance companies (and anybody else)are in business to make money, but they are making money off the fact that they are "stealing" from innocent drivers wit perfect driving records...i think its bullshit that because of other males in my age group driving like idiots I got the worst of it. why not be fair, and charge everybody equaly regardless of age, sex, (which by the way is discrimination and profiling but isn't looked upon like that cuz its a business and money thing) and whatever the other factors are, and only take that in to account when they finally get into an accident or whatever the case maybe, than come down on them as hard as they want...I WOULD NEVER WRONG INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR THAT....

on a more personal note, I don't know how good of a living you make, I don't know how finacially secure you are...**** I don't know if you're rich...Im not poor or anything, but I do have a lot of struggles and its messed up how every once in awhile, nowadays more often that not, u get a new dude that comes in to power and does things to make it harder for us, not so rich people...some people can't relate to that, maybe u can't, again I don't know, but in life since I've started having conversations about stuff like this....the only people that have not "agreed" with most of my views, were people that we're either rich, born into a rich family, or whatever...

life is not fair right...but it doesn't have to be made worse by being ripped off by people that know they can get away with it...

 
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Ok, your not getting it ...If a company is not making money in a certain sector, they usually do one of two things - They will either rectify the situation so that they make money ie. charge the customer more, or they will close the sector down ... since the law says you have to have auto insurance in ontario, guess what happens ... The premiums of many pay for the claims of the few ... and guess what, claims costs are rising daily ... you want to know why your premiums are so high ... costs of repairs have jumped, costs of medical treatment is out of control due to lack of governce, the settlment amounts are out of control... and who's getting all this money? Lawyers, treatment centres, body shops, injured, non working claimants ... thats who ... point the finger at the proper person ... and look past the insurance company ... you want lower premiums? Then vote for the party who says they are going to put limitations and restrictions on all of those who are guaging the insurance companies...oh wait, insurance companies make billions of dollars so we can afford it.... ... Until the provinvcal government steps up and starts legislating rules and guidelines, companies are going to continue to charge what they do, why? because they can show their costs ... The system is not perfect, but like i said earlier, what is?

 
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Anyone see what happened yesterday in Guelph? Conservatives had a rally, and some old dude punched 2 gay guys for protesting gay rights ... Go Harper ...

 
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S,hit that actually happened? I thought I just imagined hearing that while I was dozin off in bed.

 
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Whether I like it or not, I will most likely vote Liberal. The Conservatives are to extreme for my taste, not to mention the fact that a proposed $4 billion tax cut for corporations is not what the country needs right now. Laytons idea of cutting CPP contributions begs the question "where will the money for retiring people come from then?".

Harper is an unknown evil; Layton cannot appear to do math correctly; and Martin is head of a party that has been in power for far too long. At the end of the day, given my choices, I will chose a former finance minister with a knack for moderation over two inexperienced political "newbies" with incredulous ideas for changing the face of our country.

 
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I think I screwed up on the poll. But I'm going for NDP