So, whats really so special about Honda?
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So, whats really so special about Honda?
In nearly every post about mods all i see is "Our cars dont respond well to exhaust and intakes". The reasoning behind it is that Honda allready optimizes all of the functions to a higher quality. So when i had my Mustang, exhaust and intakes had a dramatic effect. Is this to say that Ford engineers are less able to to make a car yield its highest performance out of the box? Is our exhaust and intake that much better than most?
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Its not Honda's, its Civic's in general or even just the SOHC economy motors. The K & B Series motors handle mods great, esp. for a 4 banger. Mustangs and other muscle cars are huge motors, V8 get more power from a mod of course (i don't know the justs and details sorry). Just take for example what Honda can do with a 2.0 Liter 4 cyl vs. what ford can do with a 5.0 V6.. a K20 will own that 5.0 stock for stock, i've seen it happen before. I've scene stock B18C1 (i think thats the right model, JDM GSR) own Mustang GT's that were mod'd. Oh well
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The Americans tone them down so idiots and clueless teenagers can drive them around and if they do something stupid, there's not that much power. They're corked on purpose. 5.something Liters done right is a monster. So you tone it down a little so that its streetable, and it keeps GM and Ford from being sued. That and the stupid emissions ****. Big engine, lots of ****... pull some cats off them, see what kind of gain you get. Hell WRXs have 3 cats, pull 2 off and you get some nuts extra HP from it. Corvette cams are so mild its not funny, you change it you can literally get 30 or 40 HP just by letting the engine breathe longer. Changing an LS1 airbox gives you 20 Horse, so do the headers, its rediculous what those motors can do. But if you give a 50 something year old run of the mill wienie with too much money and 1/2 a brain a car that'll blow the doors off anything, you've got problems. So leave it with ONLY 350 HP, it satisfies people who buy it... doesn't take much to crank more out of it for those who want some more. Its alot easier to max out a 4 banger within the acceptable limits of power too. That and GM for some reason doesn't know how to design a transmission that can hold a lot of power (or they don't want to). There's only so much you can make 2 or so Liters do without shoving boost down the manifold. Yes, 240 HP from a 2L is admirable, but you can easily pull 400 or 500 from an LS1.
The Americans tone them down so idiots and clueless teenagers can drive them around and if they do something stupid, there's not that much power. They're corked on purpose. 5.something Liters done right is a monster. So you tone it down a little so that its streetable, and it keeps GM and Ford from being sued. That and the stupid emissions ****. Big engine, lots of ****... pull some cats off them, see what kind of gain you get. Hell WRXs have 3 cats, pull 2 off and you get some nuts extra HP from it. Corvette cams are so mild its not funny, you change it you can literally get 30 or 40 HP just by letting the engine breathe longer. Changing an LS1 airbox gives you 20 Horse, so do the headers, its rediculous what those motors can do. But if you give a 50 something year old run of the mill wienie with too much money and 1/2 a brain a car that'll blow the doors off anything, you've got problems. So leave it with ONLY 350 HP, it satisfies people who buy it... doesn't take much to crank more out of it for those who want some more. Its alot easier to max out a 4 banger within the acceptable limits of power too. That and GM for some reason doesn't know how to design a transmission that can hold a lot of power (or they don't want to). There's only so much you can make 2 or so Liters do without shoving boost down the manifold. Yes, 240 HP from a 2L is admirable, but you can easily pull 400 or 500 from an LS1.
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Rep Power: 348 Your average performance oriented person will probably make mods to a car to make it perform better.
Your average Honda buyer will want the car to last forever and a day. Honda is currently the largest engine manufacturer in the world. They know how to make engines run efficiently and last long.
Your average Honda buyer will want the car to last forever and a day. Honda is currently the largest engine manufacturer in the world. They know how to make engines run efficiently and last long.
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in the way that they use their light weight technology when designing their cars. also their engines are the most trust worthy on the market (besides toyota). if you want to feel power, an intake and exhaust is sh*t. thats a waste of $500 (if you go top of the line), instead get a turbo or go cheap and get n2o.
in the way that they use their light weight technology when designing their cars. also their engines are the most trust worthy on the market (besides toyota). if you want to feel power, an intake and exhaust is sh*t. thats a waste of $500 (if you go top of the line), instead get a turbo or go cheap and get n2o.
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Rep Power: 0 Our Honda civic is made to be Economical and is super low emission. Our cars are made not to be moded it was made to be the next generation Economical and low emission gas engines. I have a LX coupe engine is 1.7L 110hp 5sp EPA 32/38. Compare that to a Ford Focus 2.0L 110hp 5sp EPA 27/36. Are engine is made of full cast aluminum. Ford Focus uses a cast iron engine and a cast aluminum head. Ford makes fast and cheap cars; Honda makes quality cars with a prize. It is harder to make economical cars than cars that have a lot of power. Our Honda engine makes more hp per liter compared to a ford engine.
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Rep Power: 0 Our Honda's are also made with top notch quality control and people who actually work! Domestics come from lazt union line workers. If I offend any union guys I am sorry but I live in Detroit and have friends working the lines all over the big three plants and they will agree.
yeah, I paid nearly $18 grand for my car, I hardly call that cheap.
Hondas last forever, if your nice to them at least; even if your not they still normally last quite a while. I needed a car to keep up with my busy schedule, and my hustle and bustle. Being able to put 24K miles a year on a car, and spend less than $400 in required upkeep (other than gas) is pretty impressive.
Hondas last forever, if your nice to them at least; even if your not they still normally last quite a while. I needed a car to keep up with my busy schedule, and my hustle and bustle. Being able to put 24K miles a year on a car, and spend less than $400 in required upkeep (other than gas) is pretty impressive.
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Originally posted by obtix
Its not Honda's, its Civic's in general or even just the SOHC economy motors. The K & B Series motors handle mods great, esp. for a 4 banger. Mustangs and other muscle cars are huge motors, V8 get more power from a mod of course (i don't know the justs and details sorry). Just take for example what Honda can do with a 2.0 Liter 4 cyl vs. what ford can do with a 5.0 V6.. a K20 will own that 5.0 stock for stock, i've seen it happen before. I've scene stock B18C1 (i think thats the right model, JDM GSR) own Mustang GT's that were mod'd. Oh well
Its not Honda's, its Civic's in general or even just the SOHC economy motors. The K & B Series motors handle mods great, esp. for a 4 banger. Mustangs and other muscle cars are huge motors, V8 get more power from a mod of course (i don't know the justs and details sorry). Just take for example what Honda can do with a 2.0 Liter 4 cyl vs. what ford can do with a 5.0 V6.. a K20 will own that 5.0 stock for stock, i've seen it happen before. I've scene stock B18C1 (i think thats the right model, JDM GSR) own Mustang GT's that were mod'd. Oh well
Are you dumb or something? 5.0 is V8 smart one.
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The folks have a 93 vic with 185,000 on the clock. It got the hell wound out of it many times daily and has been nothing but abused by my lead-foot old man. Up untill my sister drove it 20 or so miles with the oil light on
it was doing great. The only other repair we've made to it over the years was a $6 bearing for the distributor due to a documented issue with the distrib's bearing going out.
My uncle has a 92 vic with 215,000 miles and just a $6 bearing in the distrib; It's still running strong.
If you want an idea of how they are manufactured, here is a link to vtec.net's tour of the Alabama Honda plant. With a factory like that, and good enough pay/benefits that the workers don't want the unions (a.k.a. morale is high), and solid engineering, you end up with incredably adept vehicles.
The folks have a 93 vic with 185,000 on the clock. It got the hell wound out of it many times daily and has been nothing but abused by my lead-foot old man. Up untill my sister drove it 20 or so miles with the oil light on
it was doing great. The only other repair we've made to it over the years was a $6 bearing for the distributor due to a documented issue with the distrib's bearing going out.My uncle has a 92 vic with 215,000 miles and just a $6 bearing in the distrib; It's still running strong.
If you want an idea of how they are manufactured, here is a link to vtec.net's tour of the Alabama Honda plant. With a factory like that, and good enough pay/benefits that the workers don't want the unions (a.k.a. morale is high), and solid engineering, you end up with incredably adept vehicles.
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Rep Power: 0 What's so special about them? All of the people who bought them expecting a race car, getting an econobox, and then coming online to complain about it. The Civic is unique in this market - most people who bought fuel-efficient economy cars know what they're getting.
Originally posted by VTEC01EX
What's so special about them? All of the people who bought them expecting a race car, getting an econobox, and then coming online to complain about it. The Civic is unique in this market - most people who bought fuel-efficient economy cars know what they're getting.
What's so special about them? All of the people who bought them expecting a race car, getting an econobox, and then coming online to complain about it. The Civic is unique in this market - most people who bought fuel-efficient economy cars know what they're getting.
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