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Old Sep 21, 2003
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RSX type s vs. Lightning/Mustang

alright well theres theset two kids have an rsx type s and they both think they can keep up with a lighting and even beat a modded up mustang GT!?!?!?..they both have i/h/e and ignition as well, now the lighting has an upgraded pulley and thats about it..the mustang is a 98 has an x pipe exhaust, timing adjuster and pulleys...i really doubt that this is true especially with the lighting all it is to me is BS...what do u guys think?

and also they both think they can beat a 94 5.0 cobra with 373 gears x pipe exhaust msd ignition k and n filtercharger upper and lower steeda control arms pulleys and headers??
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lightning maybe but still doubt.. GT no way
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It ain't gonna happen on all counts.
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I don't know, 260HP out of a 4.6L V8 on the Mustang GT? vs 200 HP plus a good bit of mods on the RSX S? Taking into account the weight difference and maybe a manual tranny on the RSX vs. an auto on the Stang it could be possible.

The Stang even has to get up to 5250rpm for that 260hp to kick in. Now a Mach 1 or an SVT...thats a different story.
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Originally posted by dre2600
The Stang even has to get up to 5250rpm for that 260hp to kick in. Now a Mach 1 or an SVT...thats a different story.
Um, ok. You know the RSX-S doesn't even realize its 200hp until like 7,000RPM, right?
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what kind of I/H on the rsx-s? you can get about 195whp if its a Comptech Race Header, and a CAI with an exhaust on the RSX-S. That will put down a high 13. If they have the Hondata ECU upgrade and they arent telling you about it, that would put them at a mid 13. It could be close, especially if the domestics dont hookup off the line.
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both RSX are dynoed at 183 whp......
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Yes, I'm aware that the RSX doesn't develop its max. HP until somewhere up in the stratosphere of the RPM range, I was counting more on a tranny and weight dif. to be the great equalizer.
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Between the HP difference and the fact that the Fords are RWD, I'd still put my money on the Fords.
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it a 98 GT...that was a bad year, maybe just on V6s but i know it was a shitty year. I heard too that on a dyno of the previous generation GT it only made 190hp to the wheels too
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yes so do i...dont get me wrong i love my hondas but its kids like these that get all cocky and think they have a rocket claiming to beat everything in their path.... that ticks me off
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Originally posted by dre2600
I don't know, 260HP out of a 4.6L V8 on the Mustang GT? vs 200 HP plus a good bit of mods on the RSX S?
And you're also talking a 14.1 car vs a 15.0 car. Even with i/h/e and ignition the RSX would have a hard time with a stock 98 GT. And the GT isn't stock. You think the RSX responds well to mods? mustangs respond even better.

Assuming all cars are stick, the RSX will lose on all accounts if the driver's of the other vehicles are at least decent. The closest chance it would have is the 98 GT and even then, the RSX is going to get beaten fairly good.

Feel free to point them to this thread to see they are wrong.
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they are also talking about taking srts?? i just stopped arguing with them they have no clue...
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Got my money on the RSX. That's what I think.
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i dont know what they are smoking maybe they MIGHT stand a chance against the lightning the Gt no competition even if it is a slushbox
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all these Gt lover here lol well All I can say is if my stock GT-S can spank a newer Modded GT AND a lightning at the track then those 2 rsx's should damn well be able to if they know how to drive!! just my .02.

As far as the 5.0 cobra I'd say not likely in hell but ya never know I seen them pull anywhere from 10 - low 8's in the 1/8 so Unless the 5.0 driver misshifts I'd say they would get owned.

Srt 4's arent that fast with a bad driver. at the track again I've seen mid - low 9's all easily atainable by modded RSX-S!!!!!

So I'd ask them to see some time slips from a real track and then post that we can tell you BS or not until then I'd say its mostly very possible theyd win like they say they can!!! just my thoughts!
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lol modded gt vs. your gt-s stock he would own you 260 hp in those compared to your 180 and mile more of torque you are dreaming celica
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Originally posted by 00celicagts6spd
all these Gt lover here lol well All I can say is if my stock GT-S can spank a newer Modded GT AND a lightning at the track then those 2 rsx's should damn well be able to if they know how to drive!! just my .02.
You are not beating any new STOCK mustang GT much less a modded GT in your STOCK GT-S. A stock GT-S with a strong following wind can maybe run a 14.7 or 14.8 on your best day. A new stock mustang GT can run a 14.2 without breaking much of a sweat. And a stock lighting is a 13 second truck my friend. So I'm not sure what planet with celica loving gravity you are racing on, but it ain't here on earth.
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^^^^ BTW I happen to run low 14's!!! I'm a decent driver and I get good r/t's! on top of that I stip my interior for race days! in the 1/8 where we raced when I ran the mustang GT... he ran a 9.5 I ran a 9.4! so yeah it can be done!!!! BTW I dont know my stangs it was the newer body style year I'll ask my team member who knows the guy! he had mustang GT with CAI exhaust and power pulleys. convertible too I think. It was night run and his car was all black but I think it was.
The lightning was a 98 with Im guessin traction problems I think, he ran a 9.5 also. I tried to stay racing people in the 9.4 - 9.5 range that day!
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Originally posted by 00celicagts6spd
^^^^ BTW I happen to run low 14's!!! I'm a decent driver and I get good r/t's! on top of that I stip my interior for race days! in the 1/8 where we raced when I ran the mustang GT... he ran a 9.5 I ran a 9.4! so yeah it can be done!!!! BTW I dont know my stangs it was the newer body style year I'll ask my team member who knows the guy! he had mustang GT with CAI exhaust and power pulleys. convertible too I think. It was night run and his car was all black but I think it was.
The lightning was a 98 with Im guessin traction problems I think, he ran a 9.5 also. I tried to stay racing people in the 9.4 - 9.5 range that day!
First if you are stripping your interior and doing weight reduction that's not stock. Second of all if you are running a 9.4 in the 1/8, you're going to run about a 14.8 or higher in the 1/4 mile. So where do you get low 14's from?

And FYI, a stock mustang GT that has a driver who isn't incompetent will run 8.9-9.0 in the 1/8 mile. whoever drove 9.5 in a stock GT sucks at driving. Unless he was in an auto convertible, which yes, is slow and won't run much better than a 9.5. But we aren't talking an auto vert pig. We are talking a stock 5 speed GT coupe.

Lastly, reaction time has NOTHING to do with ET.
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Originally posted by 00celicagts6spd
all these Gt lover here lol well All I can say is if my stock GT-S can spank a newer Modded GT AND a lightning at the track then those 2 rsx's should damn well be able to if they know how to drive!! just my .02.
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Originally posted by S2000man01
First if you are stripping your interior and doing weight reduction that's not stock. Second of all if you are running a 9.4 in the 1/8, you're going to run about a 14.8 or higher in the 1/4 mile. So where do you get low 14's from?

And FYI, a stock mustang GT that has a driver who isn't incompetent will run 8.9-9.0 in the 1/8 mile. whoever drove 9.5 in a stock GT sucks at driving. Unless he was in an auto convertible, which yes, is slow and won't run much better than a 9.5. But we aren't talking an auto vert pig. We are talking a stock 5 speed GT coupe.

Lastly, reaction time has NOTHING to do with ET.
KO I do know R/T has nothing to do with ET ...But it does count for who crosses the line first! Many times I've beaten people with faster times simply from R/t I'll get the link and post a vid of when I was learning to drive at the track I had a sorry 10.0 and beat a rsx with a 9.9 so in that aspect YES r/t would matter. thats why when I raced the mustang I beat him by at least 1.5 cars even though I was only .1 ish faster!!

Also in any race driver is a factor I've posted that time and time again. Anyone who frequents the track knows this. I never said he was good or bad driver.

not to mention A bad driver with a 2.4 60' can turn a 14.8 in the 1/4 with a full interior so yes when I say low 14's Im talkin high 14.4's you guys seem to love to call BS on here Im not hating cause I've seen many Modded Gt-S run high 16's and for the life of me and cant see how. but I know where the reputation comes from.

Now I just got the info from my friend its a 2000 mustang GT with CAI. Exhaust, pulleys. Also had 2 12's in the back.

SO I'm still restating my first opinion which is they very well could win! Also most decent modded gt's with decent driver pull 13.9 best runs with highs of 14.5 so how is it not possible to win?

2000 mustang -
260 hp
3375 lbs + he had 2 12's in back not to mention the guy weighed maybe 200 lbs

2000 GT-S
180
2400 lbs MAX with me in the car

with the power to weight it's not much diff but the torque is why the mustnag is that much faster. plus with rwd he should be at 2.0 - 2.1 60' times but he was at 2.3 -2.4 which isnt an uncommon problem!!!
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Also I know you'll call bs on this too which will further my point cause there is tons of proof but anyways there is a guy in canada running 14.1 with just intake and gutted his 1/8 is 9.2 lol just to further my point that you cant compare 1 bad drivers time and make it the standard for all gts the last one posted was my friends time and I kill his car even though he has CAI and exhaust!!! Just some food for thought!
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You won't run 14.4 in a gutted but otherwise stock GTS. Not unless you took off 500 pounds. Considering a stock GTS takes a hell of a driver to get a 14.8.

Anyways, regardless, an RSX with i/h/e will NOT be close to beating any of those 3 cars, the modded GT being the closest.

And if you are beating a mustang GT in your celica, you raced against someone who can't drive.
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Originally posted by S2000man01
You won't run 14.4 in a gutted but otherwise stock GTS. Not unless you took off 500 pounds. Considering a stock GTS takes a hell of a driver to get a 14.8.

Anyways, regardless, an RSX with i/h/e will NOT be close to beating any of those 3 cars, the modded GT being the closest.

And if you are beating a mustang GT in your celica, you raced against someone who can't drive.
Well no point in arguing more. Last thing I can say is that he wasnt a good driver you could tell by his launches I did say that.

I should be back at the track on OCT 4th so I'll post the times/vids for you guys!!! I garauntee you wont see a single 14.8!!

So until we'll just have to wait and see!
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hey some guy in japan can drive a Si 15 flat quarter mile with just a intake and Hondata lolllllll i can face this fact it aint gonna happen but for a celica to run 14.4 1/4 mile with a intake thats more then a full second faster then a Si im not sayin my car is fast by any means but i seriously doubt havin run with a few gt-s that you can pull those times
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Originally posted by 00celicagts6spd
when I say low 14's Im talkin high 14.4's
Wow. Any chance of even proving us wrong with numbers is gone now. They say the truth is in the details, but your details are crap. A high 14.4 is not low 14s. Low 14s are 14.1, 14.2 or 14.3. After you get to 14.4, you are in the mid 14s. Even your facts are misleading.
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Originally posted by white2K2EX
Wow. Any chance of even proving us wrong with numbers is gone now. They say the truth is in the details, but your details are crap. A high 14.4 is not low 14s. Low 14s are 14.1, 14.2 or 14.3. After you get to 14.4, you are in the mid 14s. Even your facts are misleading.
mid would be 5 low would be 4 and under high would be 6 and above how is this misleading???? I assumed we all graduated grade school unless they teach a new version of math now adays???? I mean they almost let ebonics in so why not!

Seriously I'm seeing a lot of ignorance on this site just because you cant do it means it must have never been done. I'm seeing why people who own hondas get a bad rap. I now know why this is such a dead board that only changes when idiots try to flame on something they Know nothing about!!!!

And I'll put it this way most the people I've noticed callin BS dont even seem to go to a track so how the hell would they even know? talkin ish about a street race is one thing but the track is a diff world and yes a win is a win period. whether you beat the driver OR the car!!! I have vids of a N/A celica my friends beating an evo 8 yes it had a bad run BUT he still lost! whats to say the same tard wouldnt do it against anyone else on the street? ish happens!!
Now I'll wait for the next idiot to call BS before I post the vid! BTW My friends celi has only bolt ons and runs high 9.1 to low 9.2's in the 1/8 so please call BS again so I can prove once again you are wrong! I have seriously lost all faith on these boards STUPIDITY RULES here after someone calls BS cause I know they will I mena this is a honda site I will OWN them with the vid and then prolly not post here any more cause you kids are far from having any intelligence what so ever!!
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sad when most of the people on this site would love to be able to hit a mid 15!

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