D17 - B18C-5 Swap
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D17 - B18C-5 Swap
Hey All,
I found a local shop that does tons of swaps and ships japenese engines all over the continent.
I called them up and spoke to them for sometime on Friday and they agreed to swap a B18C-5 with tranny, ecu etc into my 02 Civic SI (CA).
However, I am curious if anyone has done this swap before and if so, can you tell me exactly what is required as I prefer to know what I am getting into before going in.
IE: Linkages the same? Hubs Fit? Axles Line Up?
Will a DC exhuast be able to be worked into the car?
THose are the things I dont know and even though the guy at the shop who I know is reputable has done this before on other cars, he did say none have gone with the B18C-5 most go with a B16 or B18C, so I want to be sure I know what is needed before I do it.
If anyone has some info please let me know and thanks for all the help!!
Bigmatie
PS: Are the only mounts available on Hasport for a K20A swap, if so I see the post that was stickied and know what to do. THe guy can swap in those as well but I wanted ot go with a B18C-5 due to price and available items to me for bolt on parts.
I found a local shop that does tons of swaps and ships japenese engines all over the continent.
I called them up and spoke to them for sometime on Friday and they agreed to swap a B18C-5 with tranny, ecu etc into my 02 Civic SI (CA).
However, I am curious if anyone has done this swap before and if so, can you tell me exactly what is required as I prefer to know what I am getting into before going in.
IE: Linkages the same? Hubs Fit? Axles Line Up?
Will a DC exhuast be able to be worked into the car?
THose are the things I dont know and even though the guy at the shop who I know is reputable has done this before on other cars, he did say none have gone with the B18C-5 most go with a B16 or B18C, so I want to be sure I know what is needed before I do it.
If anyone has some info please let me know and thanks for all the help!!
Bigmatie
PS: Are the only mounts available on Hasport for a K20A swap, if so I see the post that was stickied and know what to do. THe guy can swap in those as well but I wanted ot go with a B18C-5 due to price and available items to me for bolt on parts.
Last edited by Bigmatie; Oct 22, 2006 at 07:50 AM.
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good luck putting the b18 in ur car...it'll cost waaaaaaaay more money than the Kswap would. Just do the kswap and be happy..theres just as much aftermarket now for the K
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Rep Power: 0 Unless you have an 01 theres no use in doing it. Im not sure if anybodys making mounts for it more than likely would be custom and wire be custom. If your willing to pay alot for fabrication and then prays it works. If this isnt a daily driver might be worth it but if not i wouldnt even try. Just save up for the kswap not only easier but youll be able to pull alot more power and cooler mods.
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Rep Power: 305 I'm pretty sure the shop doesnt understand that you have an oddball generation for swaps. He's probably thinking that its just a typical B18 swapable civic which its not. You should get with him in person and talk to him about it.
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i dont think that shop has ever done a swap into any of the 01civics or higher. Onloy because they dont make mounts or anything for a B-series motors to go into these cars. Unless they really want to mkae a custom harness, custom mounts, probably a custom ecu to go along with it just to make it run. Then again i dont even know if the B-series will fit into the SI's cause the engine bay is so small. if you really want to know read up on the sticky up top in the forced induction section which discusses the swaps already
i dont think that shop has ever done a swap into any of the 01civics or higher. Onloy because they dont make mounts or anything for a B-series motors to go into these cars. Unless they really want to mkae a custom harness, custom mounts, probably a custom ecu to go along with it just to make it run. Then again i dont even know if the B-series will fit into the SI's cause the engine bay is so small. if you really want to know read up on the sticky up top in the forced induction section which discusses the swaps already
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Rep Power: 347 You didn't read the (CA) next to the description of the car, which means he's in Canada.
Canadian Si = American EX.
Canadian Si-R = American EP3 Si
That and the title of the thread is the D17 - B18C5 swap...I sure hope he didn't mistake a K series for the D Series, that's a crime.
Canadian Si = American EX.
Canadian Si-R = American EP3 Si
That and the title of the thread is the D17 - B18C5 swap...I sure hope he didn't mistake a K series for the D Series, that's a crime.
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Rep Power: 298 dude dont you research before you buy stuff. its illegal in every state to have an older engine in a newer car due to emission laws. second all the mounts would have to be custom and the wiring will be a major paint. nothing is made for any sway except k series. thats the only swap.
the guy is also in cali so there is no way to even bar the car to get it to pass inspection. the ecu wouldnt have to be custom but you would be spending a lot of time on the wiring harness.
I have an 01 LX coupe with a B series swap. There is no way a shop would agree to do it unless they have no idea what they are talking about.
The shifters are completely different, there are no mounts available, the electronics are totally incompatible, the subframe blocks the headers so you will need to get a custom header made, you will need custom axles, plus lots, lots more. Just swap in a K, it's cheaper and in the end, it will be a faster car. Also, it just might be smog legal (not that I give a damn).
The shifters are completely different, there are no mounts available, the electronics are totally incompatible, the subframe blocks the headers so you will need to get a custom header made, you will need custom axles, plus lots, lots more. Just swap in a K, it's cheaper and in the end, it will be a faster car. Also, it just might be smog legal (not that I give a damn).
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Rep Power: 0 Yes I am in Canada so the emmissions are a bit different I suppose.
So my SI would be in the US an EX.
I will ask the guy about doing the K swap, but he is definatly charging more for the motor then the Type R. I also wanted the B as it comes with the tranny and it has the LSD.
Anyhow, I will check into this and once I get it all done I will definatly post some pics.
Cheers.
So my SI would be in the US an EX.
I will ask the guy about doing the K swap, but he is definatly charging more for the motor then the Type R. I also wanted the B as it comes with the tranny and it has the LSD.
Anyhow, I will check into this and once I get it all done I will definatly post some pics.
Cheers.
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Rep Power: 247 come to wyoming and do the swap, NO EMMISIONS. but seriously just put a k20a3 with a gt30, some tuning and you would have a 300-400hp car. for a lot cheaper probably, and not as much custom stuff.
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Rep Power: 0 Anyone here from Toronto / Ottawa heck even ONtario who knows of a shop that does the K20A2 or K20A3 swaps?
Also, why go K20A3 vs the A? The K20A is beefier is it not?
The A3 is what 160WHP
The A is 210 or 220WHP
Also the K20A2 I would install is the J-Spec one as the only shop I know who does the swap only deals in Japaenese engines and wont drop a domestic engine for me.
What do you think the shop doing my swap or the shop I found and the engine can be seen @ http://www.japanpowerinc.com/about_us.htm for the shop and the engine is @ http://www.japanpowerinc.com/engines...a&id=K20A#spec
Let me know what you think.
Also, why go K20A3 vs the A? The K20A is beefier is it not?
The A3 is what 160WHP
The A is 210 or 220WHP
Also the K20A2 I would install is the J-Spec one as the only shop I know who does the swap only deals in Japaenese engines and wont drop a domestic engine for me.
What do you think the shop doing my swap or the shop I found and the engine can be seen @ http://www.japanpowerinc.com/about_us.htm for the shop and the engine is @ http://www.japanpowerinc.com/engines...a&id=K20A#spec
Let me know what you think.
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Rep Power: 281 I just read a post today of a guy doing the swap that everyone says not to do (B series in an EM2) so it is possible but for the price is just not worth it. The motor mounts were all custom as no one makes them and as for the wiring he ripped them all out and used a standalone EMS. I just thought id share bc it was quite an interesting read.
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Dallis,
Unfortunately, this is not easily possible. The set used on the AEM land speed car was basically some random parts that were laying around the shop that AEM modified to fit the car, and modified the car to fit the mounts.
There are too many problems associated with that swap, so it will probably never come to fruition in a production kit. To be honest, for the amount of money it would cost you to do this swap, you'd be much better off with a more technologically advanced K-series engine.
Good luck on your quest,
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Dallis,
Unfortunately, this is not easily possible. The set used on the AEM land speed car was basically some random parts that were laying around the shop that AEM modified to fit the car, and modified the car to fit the mounts.
There are too many problems associated with that swap, so it will probably never come to fruition in a production kit. To be honest, for the amount of money it would cost you to do this swap, you'd be much better off with a more technologically advanced K-series engine. Good luck on your quest,
-joe
hahaha, i was wonderin if any1 else caught that. On another note there has only been 2 b-series swap for our generation each done by professional companies. Unless you've got a lot of time and money the swap is not worth doing. yeah yeah yeah... u want to break free from the norm but there is a reason why b-swaps are not done. all custom fabrication. oh btw, its not so much as the custom mounts, custom axles, or custom subframes and many more but its the fact that the wiring for the car itself is hard. the 7th gens is a step up from the bseries so wiring is completely different.
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Rep Power: 319 i used to think k>b but not anymore...after my friends 1.6 b16A jdm motor did 181 on the dyno i was impressed...with a lil work he can get 220 all motor and it woulda still cost him less than a k swap into his ek hatch...but i would get a k because the potential is a lot better than b's in my opinion
