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Rsx (K20A3) vs. 2001 Civic EX
Who would win, and why? It seems like a lot of guys on this boards think that this is a driver's race.

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most RSX drivers in most RSX's will beat most civic drivers in most civics. there's always the possibility of an experienced driver in the civic and an idiot in the RSX.

 
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there's always the possibility of an idiot driver in *any* car. This is about why it's being called a drivers race
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Any 7th gen here beat a civic si/rsx with equal driver skill?

 
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well what does the base RSX run? the stick shift is probably out of reach of the civic, and I think that it's not a driver's race in any way. a few here have beaten an Si, but that's also been concluded not a driver's race.

the base rsx auto might be an easier target of a stick shift civic, however.

 
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The Base RSX is a turd. Who the hell wants an overweight, over priced Civic Si anyway? The DC5-S has a great engine, and responds to mods like a champ, but again, for the price its far from a good deal. For the money you would spend on a base RSX you could get an SRT-4 and for 100 bucks more then a type-S you could have a WRX... and for the UNGODLY amount of 29K, which they want for the RSX-S with the "performance package (type R wana be body kit, rims, and suspension. no more no less.) you could have a 350Z or WRX STi. Honda ****ed up on this one.

 
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mid-high 15s with a good driver.

 
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The only one we'd have a chance against is an auto base RSX. Thats with a slightly modded stick. Don't even bother trying to beat a type-S. Its not gonna happen under normal circumstances.

 
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And for the price of a civic ex (17 im guessing?) one can get a civic si(dealerships are having trouble selling em), which not only performs and responds better to mods, but is also more "performance" oriented. It may look like an "egg" stock, but IMO, once dropped, they do look pretty sweet.
I fail to see your point. There will always be something out there that will be faster for the same amount of money.

And bout the base rsx being a turd...
It's got enough pep about it to hold it's own against most rice burners. Nevertheless, it's true that the type-s was made to be and shall always be faster. Why is the base rsx still selling then? Maybe some people don't care about the extra performance the type-s has. Maybe some people can't afford the extra 3000 it costs or the higher insurance rates that come with it. Or maybe they're gonna go the forced induction route, which the base rsx would be a more reliable platform to start with due to its lower compression.

 
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I hear a bell ringing. School is in.

Actually, Ive seen them as cheap as 15,500... brand new (the SI that is). Then again, I wouldnt buy either of the cars you just mentioned, so whats your point?

Actually, they just look like a lowered mini-mini van. And who would want a 2800 Lb N/A 4 banger hatch back? Not I.

My point is, as I said, Honda dropped the ball on their performance and pricing.

Sure, but we are talking about new cars in or under the same price range. Given that fact, there can only be one "best bang for the buck". Try again.

You mean it can keep up with other slow imports? Wow, thats impressive.

Faster? Yes. A good deal for the money? not even close. Again, my point.

Or maybe they made it to target 30 something women who dont care about performance and 16 year old ricers who have to have the latest Honda but whos parents wont sport the extra cash for insurance or sticker on the -S?

You have a point.

Thats what i would be saying, if the K series wasnt such a bitch to put forced induction on in the first place. A3 or not, it aint what you would call "turbo friendly". Again, there are much better and cheaper alternatives if you want to aftermarket turbo a car/engine... which brings us full circle to my point again.

Game Over. Please insert credit to continue.

 
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Credits? Im just gonna keep hitting the damn machine till I get my credits.

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You've yet to make me understand what you're trying to say. The base rsx is a piece of **** that isn't even worth modding or trying to make fast? Why does the 7thgencivic forum even exist then?

You bring up the point of the "best bang for your buck". So what you're saying is that everyone should be driving either a Dodge Neon SRT or a WRX since you claim those offer the best value in performance for the money?

 
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Though I see Joe's point, there is more to a car than just going fast in a straight line. It would be a boring planet if we all drove and liked the same cars. But I think the reason Joe is bringing all of this up, is because he's commenting on your "straight line performance" question and topic.

 
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i'd say rsx unless the vic has FI

 
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Not once has joe mentioned anything about comparing the civic and the rsx in terms of performance, which was the point of this whole thread anyway.

I just thought it was funny how some 7thgen coupe owners thought that it was a drivers race between the SI and the EX, yet there was no mention about the base rsx which shares the same engine. (Minus the manifold)

 
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that's a far gone and done issue. welcome to last month.

 
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oh yea, i forgot how Id totally want a FWD Acura over AWD or RWD *insert company name here*.
Corners like its on rails it does, it does.

I don’t get it.
Why would anyone buy an RSX? I mean the base 5spd, which is slower then a mini-me new Si, as well as being more expensive isn’t a bargain to start, but the RSX-S is price gouging at its finest!
Just over $24K gets you the FWD 200 BHP, open differentialed Acura. For as much or less, you have the SRT-4, WRX, Miata, Mazda Speed Protoge, Mustang GT… the list goes on (and that’s not even getting into the used market with Ellis Juans and what not). All of which, would not only be better out of the box for the reason in which you bought it (be it for drag racing, taking on twizties, modifying for big power, hauling groceries or what have you) but be as easy of not eaiser and cheaper to modify.
One could argue that insurance is a factor, but as a previous post confirmed, the RSX-S isn’t exactly cheaper to insure then most other cars... even a C5 Vette in his case.
What does that leave us with? Well there is always the buyer who just falls in love with the way a car works, or the guy who got the odd deal on pricing and walked away with it far below sticker for whatever reason. But that’s a small % of people interested in the performance aspect, at least in the overall scheme of things. And after those people are dealt with? Honda fan-boys and the misinformed (usually one and the same) remain. These people will buy the car JUST because it’s the latest iteration of the GSR, or JUST because it’s got the latest and greatest VTEC version 2.1. Which is sad and pathetic in and of it self.
Any way you look at it, Honda dropped the ball on both the performance and pricing aspects.

Oh and don’t even get me started on the RSX-S with the “sports package”. The US market gets this instead of the type r. It consists of slotted (note, not bigger) brakes, type R rims/tires, Type R body kit and wing, ITR suspension (or most of it)… and THAT’S IT. All for just 29,000 and change! WRX STi and 350Z track edition look out!

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Thanks for the heads up Joe. Ill keep it in mind. Oh, and even though all the rest of us are searching for the perfect "own3d" pic to post in this thread after your continual ****-cranial inversion on this dumbass, hes never going to stop to give us a chance... Id say quit while your ahead before you become the first member to actually kill a "noob"... Oh and BTW, all models of the new Z have the exact same suspension. Track just comes with brembo brake calipers and larger rotors. Oh, and the factory underbody diffusers and "lip" spoiler (RWD and STILL no monster huge aluminum double decker wing!!! take hint rice boyz.....)

 
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no need to search, ive got it right here.


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yeah, it may not be kiddie ****, but it's a pretty disturbing image, and not too cool to put as an "owned" pic.

 
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ahh man, you know some mod is going to come and take that down....[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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why? I know the kid is naked, but u cant really see anytihng... so it doesnt count as kiddie ****.

 
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ya, thats why they'll take it down ....[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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omg that pic is SO wrong.. yet disturbingly funny

 
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What I dont understand is how you guys can knock all these cars about being slow. Is it the fact that your just upset that the base RSX and the Si are faster than the whole line up of civics? dx,lx,hx,ex

 
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I don't think we're upset about anything, so don't go into the whole penile envy bit. but joe has a point. an RSX base or civic Si is nothing to go home and brag about. there are much faster cars in that class for the same price. if you want to go fast in a straight line and are spending $25,000 on an sport compact import, your best bet isn't an RSX or EP hatch. but you obviously have more preferences or your own reasons for buying one, other than straight line, so it's not a big deal.

 
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my ep cost roughly 10,000 dollars less than 25K. IF i planned on 10K in mods.....which i 100% don't, the ep would be fun as hell to drive. Is it a crime to want something new?

 
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My mistake on including the EP hatch on that group. For $15,000 (which is what dealers are dumping off EP's for these days) there probably isn't a whole lot more you can get that goes as fast as it does for the money.

Well, there is the focus SVT or whatever... but I don't trust anything that has the most recalls for a new vehicle evAr.

 
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Well, since we're getting into details...

The FP package for the RSX-S doesn't come with the Type R body kit. If you compare the OEM RSX body kit to the JDM ITR one, it's pretty different. The front skirt is different and the rear skirt is very different. The sides are similar, but still different. The wing is right on the money though. Finally the rims aren't DC5R rims, those are Acura's. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] So if you really look at it on the outside, it's even more of a poor excuse for a Type R "inspired" Type S. Oh, and the tires aren't Bridgestones either on the FP.

 
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GAYER ISNT A REAL WORD, BUT SHOULD BE JUST TO DESCRIBE THAT.

edit: f*****g caps lock.

 
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A base RSX will most likely win.
i have a friend who has a manual base rsx, Injen SRI, comptech exchaust, skunk2 coilovers
and i have a manual 2002 civic ex with injen SRI, custom 2.25 5zigen exchaust, ground control coilovers, neuspeed front tower bar, rear rsx type-s sway bar, short shifter with dc sport shift adapter, and some other junk.
We race all the time and he always gets me by a car length.
i had only beat him 1s and that was by luck. it was up a hill with 2 turns. I passed him on the inside as we were exiting the first turn. and we were even most of the way...near the end he started to pull on me little by little...i won by like a bumper in the end
the reason i pulled on him during the first turn was because he misshifted as he was entering the turn

so in conclusion i believe the dc5 (rsx) will win over the EM (2k1 civic)

 
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Since everyone seems to be talking about how "heavy" the base RSX is, let me bring up this little interesting fact for you.

Base RSX 5 speed: 2694lbs
EP3 Civic Si w/o side SRS: 2744lbs

Funny how the hatch is heavier.

 
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no, whats funny is my 2000 Si coupe = 2650 lbs and mini me hatch back weighs MORE.