i asked the kia owner about his car
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jeebus im gonna kill myself. if you really want to compare cars heres like it is
1. stock vs stock.
cause anything else is just how deep your pockets are. thats about it. so lets get real. anything past stock is how much money you have. thats not what this is about. its about the question of performance thats comin out of that kia.
1. stock vs stock.
cause anything else is just how deep your pockets are. thats about it. so lets get real. anything past stock is how much money you have. thats not what this is about. its about the question of performance thats comin out of that kia.
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jeebus im gonna kill myself. if you really want to compare cars heres like it is
1. stock vs stock.
cause anything else is just how deep your pockets are. thats about it. so lets get real. anything past stock is how much money you have. thats not what this is about. its about the question of performance thats comin out of that kia.
1. stock vs stock.
cause anything else is just how deep your pockets are. thats about it. so lets get real. anything past stock is how much money you have. thats not what this is about. its about the question of performance thats comin out of that kia.
think about it its all about how the motor responds to mods not how much they cost. because one car can intake alone can be hundreds and we can go buy an ebbay intake for $30. so that is a bad comparison. its not about just money. its about what your car does with the mods you throw at it. its not like you can compare a b series with a d series because they respond to mods much better. give a guy $2k on a d series and the same with a b and the b is going to kill it. see my point. motors are designed differently and you cant take a dollar amount for mods as a rule of comparison. he may see quicker times with headwork than we will, now does dollar amount come into play? no. there are more factors than you would like to believe. but the fact may be that his motor responds better than ours. no sense in arguing that, you can argue kills all day but how a motor responds to a mod you cannot unless you own both cars and have experience with both. otherwise your making a biased guess.
now dont think my post agrees with your kills guy because i see it very hard to believe you beat a 5.0 with slicks and slight mods. but that is also specualtion because of experience.
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Rep Power: 337 oook. lets see, i have unlimited amount of money. i can make anything fast. responding to mods don't matter cause if you have deep enough pockets you can do a swap. thats what im trying to say, with unlimited money it means unlimited options. period
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what does unlimited amounts of money have to do with my car or this thread? While i agree if you have a ton of many you can make anything fast, its too a point. the motor can only respond so much to mods and make so much Hp.
It definitly has more to do with the motor's responsiveness to modding. Which has been extremely well for this motor, more than the 1G t8D motor. TH head and intake manifold are very well designed. and unless you have experience with the motor, how else would you know? I am familiar with many of the civic motors as wel, primarily the b-series. I started tickering with the b-series in the SI waaay before i got this car. As stated before the motor is very bottled-up from factory with 2 cats and a rediculous intake layout for starters. So there are a lot to take into consideration about a motor more than just who makes it.
As far as the mustang, its definitly hard to believe, and when i rolled beside him i thought "yeah right" myself, but was very surprised. driver, power/weight, etc al play a factor as we all know. I have raced many's stangs that have walked me, a few by onlly 1-2 cars. the thing with those is you never know, and can never judge by looks or sound. They are a dime a dozen around here.
lol Same thing was said for Honda 10 yrs ago...now look at some of them. but anyway...
It definitly has more to do with the motor's responsiveness to modding. Which has been extremely well for this motor, more than the 1G t8D motor. TH head and intake manifold are very well designed. and unless you have experience with the motor, how else would you know? I am familiar with many of the civic motors as wel, primarily the b-series. I started tickering with the b-series in the SI waaay before i got this car. As stated before the motor is very bottled-up from factory with 2 cats and a rediculous intake layout for starters. So there are a lot to take into consideration about a motor more than just who makes it.
As far as the mustang, its definitly hard to believe, and when i rolled beside him i thought "yeah right" myself, but was very surprised. driver, power/weight, etc al play a factor as we all know. I have raced many's stangs that have walked me, a few by onlly 1-2 cars. the thing with those is you never know, and can never judge by looks or sound. They are a dime a dozen around here.
I never thought the day would come comparing performance from my GXP to a KIA. Should be for some good laughs at the track next weekend with the camaro and corvette boys.
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Originally Posted by MajinB
oook. lets see, i have unlimited amount of money. i can make anything fast. responding to mods don't matter cause if you have deep enough pockets you can do a swap. thats what im trying to say, with unlimited money it means unlimited options. period
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First off.. I dont post to much.. i know i havnt even been a member very long.. if you consider sept. of 04 long.. I usually only post to ask questions. Or to Voice my oppinion when i feel its prevelent... And Rarley never get into "heated" Discutions.. but this deserves to be interveined on.....
Personally I think all of you knocking him are being Imature. For one the guy knows or seems to know his s#hit and is pritty passionate about Engines Period. If he so chooses to Mod a Kia then let him. Its his car, its his money.. Who cares if its not a Honda.. Im sure most of you on here give or take a couple thousand are ricers anyway... I've seen Plenty of S#ity 7th gens around. And let me tell you, His kia looks alot better than most Civics i've seen. There are plenty of engines in plenty of cars that are better than Honda Engines.as For ALL US NON K20a /K20a2 Guys The D17a2 isnt somthing to brag about.. im sorry... its by far the worst block ever build .. so how can you sit there and knock his DOHC Block that More than Likely Puts out More HP than Our SOHC VTEC 125hp EX's For thouse of use lucky enough to even have a Ex Motor.... As For you kids out there. Honda wasnt founded on "performace Geared" engines.. people love them because there reliable. .. you can beat the **** out of them and the'll keep ticking. No body should have to prove anything to anyone.. Regardless of what they drive. Its all in Mind of the Driver of that one particular car.
Grow Up.. and Give the Guy the Props He Deserves for Moding a CAr THAT NOT EVERY PERSON IN THE DAMN WORLD mods. AND DOING A GOOD JOB AT THAT.. He shouldnt have to have someone defend him on this.... *shakes head*..........
I say. Nice ride bro, Two Thumbs up on a job we'll done. I give you mad props for defending your cause and bringing your fight to our forum Happy Moding
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Personally I think all of you knocking him are being Imature. For one the guy knows or seems to know his s#hit and is pritty passionate about Engines Period. If he so chooses to Mod a Kia then let him. Its his car, its his money.. Who cares if its not a Honda.. Im sure most of you on here give or take a couple thousand are ricers anyway... I've seen Plenty of S#ity 7th gens around. And let me tell you, His kia looks alot better than most Civics i've seen. There are plenty of engines in plenty of cars that are better than Honda Engines.as For ALL US NON K20a /K20a2 Guys The D17a2 isnt somthing to brag about.. im sorry... its by far the worst block ever build .. so how can you sit there and knock his DOHC Block that More than Likely Puts out More HP than Our SOHC VTEC 125hp EX's For thouse of use lucky enough to even have a Ex Motor.... As For you kids out there. Honda wasnt founded on "performace Geared" engines.. people love them because there reliable. .. you can beat the **** out of them and the'll keep ticking. No body should have to prove anything to anyone.. Regardless of what they drive. Its all in Mind of the Driver of that one particular car.
Grow Up.. and Give the Guy the Props He Deserves for Moding a CAr THAT NOT EVERY PERSON IN THE DAMN WORLD mods. AND DOING A GOOD JOB AT THAT.. He shouldnt have to have someone defend him on this.... *shakes head*..........
I say. Nice ride bro, Two Thumbs up on a job we'll done. I give you mad props for defending your cause and bringing your fight to our forum Happy Moding
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like someone said, he knows his **** and it is his money and like he has said on his car domain, he chose to use it as a project car because it was unique and i take it he didnt want to go into the mainstream tuning scene. the outside is clean, your list of engine mods gives you the 8, however there are too many neons inside :P sorry but just IMO didnt like the interior. but neways... thats my two cents
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like someone said, he knows his **** and it is his money and like he has said on his car domain, he chose to use it as a project car because it was unique and i take it he didnt want to go into the mainstream tuning scene. the outside is clean, your list of engine mods gives you the 8, however there are too many neons inside :P sorry but just IMO didnt like the interior. but neways... thats my two cents
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humm... well this is interesting, and say just wait until we see some dyno's and crap. BTW, how much does your car weigh?
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Rep Power: 0 Actually the car weighs under 2500, about 2470 right now. stock it was less than 2700lbs (my trim). A few more specs about the motor, the springs and lifters are overbuilt, able to rev to 7200-7400 stock with an upgraded ECU. The stock rods and crank are forged, rods can support 300-350hp and the crank over 400hp, no one has broken a crank, or a rod yet. the stock pistons are always first to go from detonation. 8-10psi is average for the few boosted stock internal motors out there.
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I agree with everything but this statement:
Actually Honda was founded on performance engines. Remember Honda was making crotch rockets that rev way above 10,000 RPMs way before they made car engines. The fact they a reliable was a byproduct of the attention to detail and the ability to bulletproof technology while others where just drawing sketches of the same type of technology. However Honda was wise enough to realize that top technology is not for the common consumer, so they scaled down the technologically advanced engines to something the common person wanted/needed and because the technology was already developed and bulletproof, to scale it down was made that much stronger.
If you compare that to American manufactures, the tradition is to build something for the common person, then take that to a performance level, the opposite of Honda. This is why Honda had double wishbone cars before everybody else, why they had VTEC before everybody else...
I agree with everything but this statement:
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Honda wasnt founded on "performace Geared" engines...
Actually Honda was founded on performance engines. Remember Honda was making crotch rockets that rev way above 10,000 RPMs way before they made car engines. The fact they a reliable was a byproduct of the attention to detail and the ability to bulletproof technology while others where just drawing sketches of the same type of technology. However Honda was wise enough to realize that top technology is not for the common consumer, so they scaled down the technologically advanced engines to something the common person wanted/needed and because the technology was already developed and bulletproof, to scale it down was made that much stronger.
If you compare that to American manufactures, the tradition is to build something for the common person, then take that to a performance level, the opposite of Honda. This is why Honda had double wishbone cars before everybody else, why they had VTEC before everybody else...
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
well put Down_
I agree with everything but this statement:
Actually Honda was founded on performance engines. Remember Honda was making crotch rockets that rev way above 10,000 RPMs way before they made car engines. The fact they a reliable was a byproduct of the attention to detail and the ability to bulletproof technology while others where just drawing sketches of the same type of technology. However Honda was wise enough to realize that top technology is not for the common consumer, so they scaled down the technologically advanced engines to something the common person wanted/needed and because the technology was already developed and bulletproof, to scale it down was made that much stronger.
If you compare that to American manufactures, the tradition is to build something for the common person, then take that to a performance level, the opposite of Honda. This is why Honda had double wishbone cars before everybody else, why they had VTEC before everybody else...
I agree with everything but this statement:
Actually Honda was founded on performance engines. Remember Honda was making crotch rockets that rev way above 10,000 RPMs way before they made car engines. The fact they a reliable was a byproduct of the attention to detail and the ability to bulletproof technology while others where just drawing sketches of the same type of technology. However Honda was wise enough to realize that top technology is not for the common consumer, so they scaled down the technologically advanced engines to something the common person wanted/needed and because the technology was already developed and bulletproof, to scale it down was made that much stronger.
If you compare that to American manufactures, the tradition is to build something for the common person, then take that to a performance level, the opposite of Honda. This is why Honda had double wishbone cars before everybody else, why they had VTEC before everybody else...
i like that statement
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Rep Power: 0 ^^ Like what? a d17 civic ? lol...how many times have people said the same thing about your car, lol and i can garuntee all the money i put into the car would be significantly less than that of equal mods for the b and k series motors. Not to mention I do all the installs and any fabrication myself, which costs nothing. I would rather built this motor than any of the honda motors except maybe the K20's or a boosted + built H22. this car is one of the best bang for the buck rides i have worked on and everything was easier to on this motor installation wise then compared to say a b-series in an Si, which i have had extensive experience with. Honda does have a great resale value, but they have been around a lot longer. Obviously i am not interested in ever selling it, so no point in continuing that topic.
And who is talking about Resale ?
certainly you don't start modding a car thinkg about resale, becasue you build the car for you no one else. A car doesn't last forever? depends on how well you take care of it. Why are there still classics and muscle cars around? or 10-12yr old honda running around that look mint with built or swapped motors ? guess we'll always wonder
The lights are for show, and activated by a switch, who cares abou lights, switch it and they are off, no big deal. and in person its a different story.
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And who is talking about Resale ?
certainly you don't start modding a car thinkg about resale, becasue you build the car for you no one else. A car doesn't last forever? depends on how well you take care of it. Why are there still classics and muscle cars around? or 10-12yr old honda running around that look mint with built or swapped motors ? guess we'll always wonderThe lights are for show, and activated by a switch, who cares abou lights, switch it and they are off, no big deal. and in person its a different story.
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Rep Power: 0 Your pretty passionate about your KIA huh? Maybe you should buy a daewoo and mod that so we could check that out too... And no one says anything about my "mods" beacuse I havent done anything that I cant change back when I re-sell.
you guys are being a little rediculous with this guy. why cant you see no matter what kind of car it is he shares the same enthusiasm as us when it comes to loving his car and modifying the parts he wants. who cares if its a f in lambo a kia or a honda. your harping onhim because of the kind of car it is and no opening your eyes to see the custom work he has done. i guess this view comes from owning a s10 as well. ther are all sorts of different mods you can do. one might like hydros one might like to boost a 4cyl or a 6cyl or bag the truck. the fact is i can appreciate any kind of work involved in making a car your own. even if its tacky as hell and it may not be what i want. i will still give that peson respect for going so far as to make his vehicle what he wants it to be. ONE LOVE fella's not one love for hondas. i can appreciate a hot rod a rat rod a minitruck a fullsize or a import no matter what kind of car it is and what is done. everyone has a different opinion as to what they think is cool. my motto is opinions are like *******s everyone has them and sometimes they stink. well same goes for this car you may think his ride stinks but its not about you its about what he wants. bottom line, why harp on someone for their opinion and their likes????
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I totally agree with you familycar. to me thats part of the definition of a true tuner...but thats a debate for another thread. There are many honda guys around here that love my car because its different and know its potential, especially since they;ve seen it in person.
Daewoo? lol might as well go out and rock the fetiva and build that...but thats a lost cause like the daewoo's as far as performance go, which is my main concern. Not to mention how many times people say the same about the little d17s..."putting all that money into the SOHC d17"
I totally agree with you familycar. to me thats part of the definition of a true tuner...but thats a debate for another thread. There are many honda guys around here that love my car because its different and know its potential, especially since they;ve seen it in person.
Daewoo? lol might as well go out and rock the fetiva and build that...but thats a lost cause like the daewoo's as far as performance go, which is my main concern. Not to mention how many times people say the same about the little d17s..."putting all that money into the SOHC d17"
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Rep Power: 337 hey im still interested. don't doubt it. im VERY curious. its not like i came up and flamed you. i mean i straight asked you. this thread might as well be about what a tuner is. the whole point of this was to pass ideas around. thats what we all do on forums. im tryin to learn about it. to be honest, i don't understand why spectras are compared to civics. i thought it was supposed to be Rios instead. idk. but i agree, i won't discriminate as long as there is proof.
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Rep Power: 347 Great ****. I never really liked the look of Kias or any Korean car for that matter excluding the Tiburon and maybe the next 3-door Aveo.
I like the Spectras too. Especially the current ones. I think those are the cars to watch out for because they're affordable and decent tuner cars.
You're def. reppin the Kia scene and I wish you more power.
... I still think Civics are the best though.
I like the Spectras too. Especially the current ones. I think those are the cars to watch out for because they're affordable and decent tuner cars.
You're def. reppin the Kia scene and I wish you more power.
... I still think Civics are the best though.
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Rep Power: 0 This thread has to be the most entertaining thread ever... We have butt hurt Honda Fanbois that are pissed that a Kia could beat a Honda. Look at the spec's of both cars performance wise. Sadly enough the Kia outweighs the Honda in performance and even responds well to mods. Honda's respond well to mods as well. In my honest opinion, motor wise the d17 is very comprable to Kia's 1.8 if not inferior in performance.
My company has worked on both vehicles and I saw better response out of this Kia than a civic not to mention the heads turned by this car.
I can see that not all civic owners are bad, not only from my customers, but from the few mature posts in this thread. I just don't understand how people who overpaid for a car with poor performance can sit there and knock someone who paid half what you did and spends less on mods and performs better.
What is the logic here? Honda pwns all? Grow up to the few who are acting this way. I'm not trying to be an *** or nothing but come on! This is the most childish thread full of fanbois I have ever met. I guaranty you couldn't send a 7th gen my way that could beat my sentra. Do I go around saying oh this car sucks that car sucks? Hell no. Do I think the 7th gen is crappy or a waste? No. Do I think they are even in a performance class? No. They are good on gas and reliable. Not hot rods. Period. Same as the Kia. They are all in the same class.
To me it's just funny to see owners of slow cars calling out owners of slow cars because of the badge on their cars. Good job kids. Let me know when your ***** drop and you become men.
To the few guys on here that are car enthusiasts and can respect anyone... You guys are what it's about and it's sad to see idiots like these give you guys a bad rap. Some of you are very cool and have made great points. It's all about what you want to do and the few who get that on this site deserve their props.
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My company has worked on both vehicles and I saw better response out of this Kia than a civic not to mention the heads turned by this car.
I can see that not all civic owners are bad, not only from my customers, but from the few mature posts in this thread. I just don't understand how people who overpaid for a car with poor performance can sit there and knock someone who paid half what you did and spends less on mods and performs better.
What is the logic here? Honda pwns all? Grow up to the few who are acting this way. I'm not trying to be an *** or nothing but come on! This is the most childish thread full of fanbois I have ever met. I guaranty you couldn't send a 7th gen my way that could beat my sentra. Do I go around saying oh this car sucks that car sucks? Hell no. Do I think the 7th gen is crappy or a waste? No. Do I think they are even in a performance class? No. They are good on gas and reliable. Not hot rods. Period. Same as the Kia. They are all in the same class.
To me it's just funny to see owners of slow cars calling out owners of slow cars because of the badge on their cars. Good job kids. Let me know when your ***** drop and you become men.
To the few guys on here that are car enthusiasts and can respect anyone... You guys are what it's about and it's sad to see idiots like these give you guys a bad rap. Some of you are very cool and have made great points. It's all about what you want to do and the few who get that on this site deserve their props.
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Rep Power: 337 dude its one thing to be a fanboy but to say that the civic motor is inferior to a kia motor is not "tuner" attitude according to your friend kevin. so lets just agree to disagree on that. and in your second paragragh you state that any 7thgen we would not beat your sentra. this is how this thread got started. cause kevin stated in another thread that he could take any 7thgen that comes his way. so just realize that you just talked some ****. thats what made me start this thread and the other one on streetkiazx.com. ill call you out too then. show me a dyno on your sentra. or a slip. cause i could show you at least 3 7thgenners that would give you a GOOD run.
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Rep Power: 0 Well since I haven't reached the post limit I can't post links or pics. Just for the record though... Read my sig... It have a link to my slips. How cool is that! I even have a video on my car domain site if you'd like to see that...
And if you'd read my post you'd see I never called the Honda motor inferior... I did say that it's performance was similar if not inferior. I work on honda motors and Kia motors. I think I'd know which one is more sophisticated. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Either way... Unless you have 7th gens in the 11's or 12's there is no need for me to prove anything. There are enough videos of my car running low 13's and below it's not even funny and with the new nitrous kit going in I will be hitting high 11's.
I'm not trying to argue anything other than the fact that what is so hard to believe that a fully bolted, cammed motor, with porting and head work that has quite a bit of weight reduction would have a problem waxing a car that has less power stock for stock just because it's a "Kia". Thats just plain IGNORANCE. He never claimed to be the fastest out there. That is not the issue. He has never lost to a 7th gen to my knowledge but he's not ignorant in the car world. He and I created the First Sentra supercharger kit created. We have worked on everything from Kia to Nissan to Honda to toyota and so on. We test every vehicle that is worked on including his amd his has proven to show great results on the street.
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And if you'd read my post you'd see I never called the Honda motor inferior... I did say that it's performance was similar if not inferior. I work on honda motors and Kia motors. I think I'd know which one is more sophisticated. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Either way... Unless you have 7th gens in the 11's or 12's there is no need for me to prove anything. There are enough videos of my car running low 13's and below it's not even funny and with the new nitrous kit going in I will be hitting high 11's.
I'm not trying to argue anything other than the fact that what is so hard to believe that a fully bolted, cammed motor, with porting and head work that has quite a bit of weight reduction would have a problem waxing a car that has less power stock for stock just because it's a "Kia". Thats just plain IGNORANCE. He never claimed to be the fastest out there. That is not the issue. He has never lost to a 7th gen to my knowledge but he's not ignorant in the car world. He and I created the First Sentra supercharger kit created. We have worked on everything from Kia to Nissan to Honda to toyota and so on. We test every vehicle that is worked on including his amd his has proven to show great results on the street.
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This is the kind of crap Im posting about, not "whos faster" I just think KIAs are crap, I actually looked into buying one myself when I was shopping for a new car and after alot of research I decided on a Honda. I bought it at a KIA/Honda dealer and even the KIA salesmen pointed me in the Honda direction, So who cares whos faster Honda just makes a better product, save KIA for those people with credit problems that Honda dealers turns away.
This is the kind of crap Im posting about, not "whos faster" I just think KIAs are crap, I actually looked into buying one myself when I was shopping for a new car and after alot of research I decided on a Honda. I bought it at a KIA/Honda dealer and even the KIA salesmen pointed me in the Honda direction, So who cares whos faster Honda just makes a better product, save KIA for those people with credit problems that Honda dealers turns away.
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I think at one point in this thread I saw that someone typed a Kia beating a 5.0......I havent followed this thread myself....
