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Engine cranks in any gear?

So this first started about a year ago with the engine not cranking in park at random times, but cranking in neutral. When it wouldn't crank in park, the gear indicator light on the dash wouldn't be on at all. This would only happen every couple of weeks. But after a couple months of this not happening, I noticed that the engine will consistently start in any gear. The indicator light on the dash works correctly, but it starts in any gear now. I don't think that these two issues are related, but I have no way of knowing. Any ideas what could cause this? I don't particularly care if it cranks in any gear, but I don't want to ignore this problem if it could damage something else or cause another problem. Thanks
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Follow and diagnose according to a correct wiring diagram for answers.
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Follow and diagnose according to a correct wiring diagram for answers.
I have a wiring diagram for the starter. My best guess is that the starter cut relay is stuck closed, but I'll have to find that relay and test it.
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It's in the dash fusebox.

Has that relay been bypassed?
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It's in the dash fusebox.

Has that relay been bypassed?
Thanks. I'll test that relay and report back. And no it has not been bypassed. I didn't even know that it was there until I looked at the wiring diagram.
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I can find out a whole lot of answers by probing a simple test light in the relay socket.
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I can find out a whole lot of answers by probing a simple test light in the relay socket.
I'm sure you can. However, the relays in the fusebox under the dash aren't exactly easy to get to. In my opinion, it would be easier to start with removing the relay and testing it outside the car than to do testing from the socket.
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I'm sure you can. However, the relays in the fusebox under the dash aren't exactly easy to get to. In my opinion, it would be easier to start with removing the relay and testing it outside the car than to do testing from the socket.
Disagree, regardless of difficulty. You aren't likely to find the relay stuck on, and if it were stuck on then trying to pull it out of the box would probably make it unstick and all your evidence would disappear in an instant.

I don't think I've ever needed to test a relay out of circuit. I've always been able to judge by evaluating the 4 or 5 terminals in a typical simple relay socket.

Be glad it's not a German car. LOL
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Disagree, regardless of difficulty. You aren't likely to find the relay stuck on, and if it were stuck on then trying to pull it out of the box would probably make it unstick and all your evidence would disappear in an instant.

I don't think I've ever needed to test a relay out of circuit. I've always been able to judge by evaluating the 4 or 5 terminals in a typical simple relay socket.

Be glad it's not a German car. LOL
But wouldn't you need to remove the relay to do your testing from the socket anyway?
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Okay so I removed the relay from the socket and it still cranks in any gear. What does this mean? Short in the load side?
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But wouldn't you need to remove the relay to do your testing from the socket anyway?
Yes, but that doesn't matter if you KNOW what you should find when testing in the socket.



Know. Evaluate. Judge. Deduce.
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Yes, but that doesn't matter if you KNOW what you should find when testing in the socket.



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Good point. I'm late and it's tired. :yawn:
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Okay so I removed the relay from the socket and it still cranks in any gear. What does this mean? Short in the load side?
you pulled the wrong relay?





Or its bypassed somewhere
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Effed up range switch?
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I don't think so. All the indicator lights on the dash work correctly.
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Or its bypassed somewhere
I pulled RY1 on this diagram: http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/portfolio/e/udfrb.htm
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You pulled the relay and you have a wire diagram.. Test, dont guess.





It's not the relay.
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You pulled the relay and you have a wire diagram.. Test, dont guess.





It's not the relay.
It can't be the relay since it still cranks without it installed. Something must be shorted. I'm too tired to go any farther with this tonight though since it's almost midnight here. Thanks for your help.
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Would it be a bad idea to ignore this issue?
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Basically, I'm asking if ignoring this issue will strand me, damage something, burn my car down, or do something else nasty. I WILL NOT start it in gear, so no need to worry about that. Even if I did (which I won't), I always use the parking brake, so it's not going anywhere.
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I think it's fine to ignore.
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