dsm482

Hi,
does anyone or ezone, have the sequence of torquing the cam back in


.. 2005 civic dx d17a1.

I need the torque... i see the headgasket diy only .. which obviosly i need torque for headbolts also..

I need the camshaft procedure and torques and sequence?



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ezone

8mm bolts 14 ft-lb
6mm bolts 8.7 ft-lb
Draw all down slow and even, 2 turns at a time, so nothing gets bent
Probably oil the bolt threads and stuff like that.....
Use sealant under the outermost caps that will be exposed to the outside--per the shop manual.

Sequence...start in the center, work your way outwards, crisscrossing as you go outward (pretty much the same type of sequence as any other large item like a cylinder head LOL)

head bolts - 3 steps, 14, 36, 49

You really need to get a service manual. Try this link...Start on the last pages for the most recent links:
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...e-updated.html

xRiCeBoYx

iTrader: (22)

torque specs
6mm bolts: 104 in-lbs (8.67 ft-lbs)
8mm bolts: 14 ft-lbs (168 in-lbs)

edit: seems like he beat me by mere seconds.. lol. Had to go to my car and grab my manual

dsm482

the manuals are not up anymore?

do you have the headbolt torque and pattern?

dsm482

and the infamous cam bolt torques?

ezone

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dsm482

i meant the cam bolt for the cam gear..


is that degrees or ft/lbs on the headbolts.. inside to out i assume simular as cam

ezone

head bolts - 3 steps, 14, 36, 49 ft-lb

This random google pic is probably close enough

ezone

cam pulley bolt 27 ft-lb in my book

xRiCeBoYx

iTrader: (22)

cam bolt for the cam gear is 27ft-lbs

edit: again, by seconds... *grumblegrumblegrumble* lol

edit 2: pic from the manual, if you prefer that over random google pic.


same pattern. If you really wanna be a stickler for details, the random google pic is flipped front to back than the manual, but it really makes zero difference which you do.

dsm482

cool thank you very much.. litle update i took the head apart and cleaned it..
i got bent 12 valves leaking .. 4 are good and holding gas..
ouch thats bad for goind 20 mph .. holy ****...

i guess i will replace all.. i found a set on ebay 65 dollars auto engine something...

i was goind to do the swap, but time is off essence.. plus i couldnt get some help to clear up the vafc, it looked more time to wire and tune.. its not like am gonna make a race car 10 sec a 1/4 mile..
its still an option since i could get the head for 60 with guarantedd miles 100k... so that bothers me a little.. just hate to dick around, i sold my other car, and this one is down.. if i had two vehicles i would have swapped it..
car has 275k.. i guess i can always add nitrus 50 shoot.. funny thing the car had 200 compression across, speaking of quality no coolant issue.., and wet tested this summer.
i dont know why the cam bolt came loose ... timing belt i did it 2 years ago, and i torqued it for sure, since i was replacing the cam seal then..
i am gonna check my torque wrench... freaking cost me 200 dollars now and **** load of work

dsm482

whats the felpro head-gasket set.. someone said EZone i believe that they wont last?

oem is expensive

dsm482

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181911112828?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
i bought these.. hope they last as oem.. I was going to get felpro gasket set. why people say its not as durable.

ezone

Others posted here that it didn't last. Here's just one:

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/3...ket-again.html

You seem to be confusing COST with PRICE.
What's the COST of that cheap PRICE?

The cheapest people often spend the most.

If you want factory quality, guess what.....

dsm482

hi,

whats the head clearance allowed with strait-edge , i just want to make sure am not warped.

also the injector i was pulling , son of bitch the injector to the rail didint want to come apart.. not the one going to the manifold aluminm piece.. the other side.. need to pry it .. looked like it want a lot of force... am i missing something?

dsm482

am talking about getting them off the rail, i took the clips

ezone

Head warp.... If the 0.05mm feeler will slide under the straightedge, it's warped.
0.05mm = 0.002"


Injectors...lube the O rings before you try to get them apart. Spray some carb&throttle cleaner or gasoline on the O rings then wiggle a lot to work it in...
Yes they are tight, use steady pressure and wiggling to get them out.

dsm482

i got the injectors they were just hard to remove.. i own the car since 3k .. basicly brand new.. 275k later they were a bitch to remove.. i had a lot of varnish in intake carbon build up to clean up.. i will clean it put it together the intake tomorrow..
waiting on valves in the mail, i will reseat those nice an easy with valve grinding compound..
thanks for the info, i will check it for straightness tomorrow.

this is very helpful forum, glad i became a member.

dsm482

preciion straight edge.. i lost mine..

what u guys use.. freaking 100 dollars for one.. i need to make sure mu head is straight before i slap this **** together

ezone

Mine is Blue Point and probably cost more than that 25 years ago.

Take it to a machine shop to be checked.....if you are lucky someone there might measure it for you for next to nothing

dsm482

i dont need machine shop..250 dollar for valve job.. reason why i fix all this myself.. i was going to reseat the valve myself .. i know what am doing..

xRiCeBoYx

iTrader: (22)

I take mine to the local machine shop. They only charge me $50 to deck the head and hot tank it. I don't have precision tools to tell me if the head is off by thousandths of an inch

ezone

I didn't say take it to them for a valve job.
Just have them measure it for warpage.

So do we.

dsm482

little update.. thanks for all the help ezone...

head had no warpage using straightedge even .03m feeler gauge wouldnt pass thru..

I still sanded it down with 120 grit , on a block of granite i got to even out imperfections... old scholl style baby...

valve job i will reseat them with valve grinding compound that tool and a drill.. off course i would check for leaks with gasoline...

waiting on valves cheapos i bought will see , they should hold up for beat down..

I regret not doing the d17a2 swap, .. it would have cost me more, and more time till i figured out all details.. though it looked pretty simple..

but i figured maybe i will throw some nitrus to play around on the road.. cheap add of power.. no more than 50 shot. in the future..

here are some pics..

ezone

This head needs a glass smooth finish to seal correctly.
15-30RA (roughness average).

This ain't the place for old school. The factory MLS head gasket can't seal scratches and imperfections the way a composite head gasket used to be able to. The belt sander finish that worked fine on cast iron heads only causes problems here.


All you really needed to do was wipe it down with some brake cleaner.
Maybe scrape the black stuff with a single edge razor blade.


Throw some wet 2000 grit on the marble slab and grind a little more?

dsm482

ok i will smooth it out more. 15-30ra ..

most machine shops dont get that anyway. depends on what speed they cut it, tool, and most engine shops have older equipment.. i will smooth it out more..

that is helpful info

ezone

There's only one automotive machine shop left in my town and they either have idiots working for them or their equipment is junk...or nobody cares.. I've had leaks as soon as the head is bolted down, because they left a rough surface on the head. I refuse to send them any more of my work.

I now send my heads to a small machine shop in the next big town 50 miles away just because they can machine a head and give it an acceptable finish. I don't care that it takes an extra day, I want damn good work and will wait for it.

dsm482

now you know why i do my own work. i been around, and seen machine shop s--t.

i have yet to find a guy that will do good work.. its kinda like getting rebuild motor is never good as factory .. there is a reason for it.. tolerances measuring tools, quality procedure and people wiss talent.. do they know what they are doing..
same as mechanics, there is tool engine shop people that make me wonder sometimes

dsm482

u sure its 2000 grit, thats way smoothh.. u need a little grab for gasket..

i have done aluminum heads at 120 and sealed perfect. i do have 1200 sandpaper.. but that would make it way to smooth..

ezone

No I'm not sure of 2000 grit.
I AM sure of nearly glass smooth, I just figured 2000 would get it there.

No, it's gotta slide.

Look at the block deck surface, it is DAMN smooth...Yes? (unless you already touched it) You can see the machining marks, but you can't feel them.

Head surface has to be just as smooth as the block. The same way it was when you took it apart (unless someone beat you to it already)




Leave the old school thinking for the genuinely OLD stuff. It doesn't always mix well in modern tech.