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Just thought that it would be a good idea to start a thread for us.

I'm learning lots about turboing the D17 myself and I know that there are probably lots of beginners in the same position as I.

I know there are a few guys in the CanEast forum that has expressed interest in boosting their cars and I just want to ask:

- What set up are you considering?
- Installing yourself?

I want to keep this thread on topic since I feel that it would benefit alot the Canadian members on here.

I'll start it off by explaining what my setup will consist of, then going from there.

My setup:
- Equal length manifold
- polished front mount intercooler
- TurboXS blow off valve
- TurboXS single boost controller
- RSX injectors (still deciding between the stock and RC ones)
- GReddy emanage with attachments (I have the SAFC but I'll probably get rid of it)
- GReddy oil catch can
- T3 or T3/04 turbo
- IC piping, fittings, vaccuum lines

 
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i was thinking of the SF kit.... seems like people get the most gains out of that one... but i could be wrong... and also the reabilty of SF is as in delivering so we'll see only time and money can tell... good thread tho
im also learnin about turbo and there's still so much stuff out there that i dont kno.
my dad works cnc tho.. so if i need any help with polishin the head or the manifold he'll help me out that i kno... etc etc

 
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actually that would be pretty sick if I could get my manifold polished. How much would I be looking at for that? Its an equal length manifold

 
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33742

 
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ive had and still am having lots of problems with my turbo.... i blew my ecu trying to install the vafc... the turbo I got professionally done... along with a clutchmaster stage 3 clutch... have no idea if the stock clutch will hold up... anyways.. all my piping was custom including the manifold... HKS bov, T25 dual BB garrett used in mazda speeds... 6.5 psi for now... i have an e-manage untunned and probably not installed correctly.. my e-manage reads my rpm at 4000 when its at idle... sometimes it feels like the car is gonna die.. very weird idling..... im just waiting on a hondata to be made and the e-manage is gone... i wouldnt suggest getting the e-manage.. however running your turbo with no fuel, and your car will limp and stall when pushing it... i have no vtec running due the the e-manage configuration... 4-8-E.. sometimes I get a loud bang from the muffler.. I guess im running a bit rich... thats besides the point tho... even tho im running like ****... I easily beat a z24 cavalier from 2003... 150 hp 155 tq... by 2 car lengths.. so I dont feel so bad... from my own experience... it takes way more $$ than you think... along with headaches.... if I could go back... I would not get the turbo... but it defenitely is a good feeling when u get pushed back against the seat.. soo much torque... alot of guys with sir's with gf by their side pull up to me and rev etc etc... I just accel a bit.. let go.. and pshhhhh.. see how fast they back off... anyways.... thats my experience from my car so far... hope it helps you guys... peace

 
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Guys, start saving up your money because Crower will be release a bunch of stuff for our D17 in January 2005. They already have all the parts (valves, springs, retainers, cam gear, pistons, rods etc.) except the cam itself which they are now making.

If this is true it might be better than a turbo! More reliable and insurance company won't be able to drop you because its all in the engine rather than being exposed. Not to mention not getting unwanted attention from people out there.

What do you guys think?

 
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Sorry about your bad luck bakablo, but if you're looking to get rid of the e-Manage, let me know, I'll take it.

I've been working a little with Dezod on the site and he's helping me along with this project. I hope it goes better then it did for you. Realistically, turbos are not THAT complicated (the most complicated being the fuel management).

The reason you fried your ECU with the vafc is because of all the extra volts due to the increased fuel and advanced timing, this is bad for both your motor and your ECU. VAFC and SAFC are useless on our cars, because of the simple fact that there is no adjustment capability as far as timing goes.

What size injectors were you running as well? What harnesses do you have for the e-manage? Injector/ignition?

Let me know and hopefully we can get your car up and running properly.

 
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i have type S injectors, i have the usb cable/cd for the e-manage i just got bosch platinum spark plugs

 
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maaaaaaaan im jelous... i want a turbo .... i want to rape cavaliers arrrrrrr cant wait its goin to take me all the way till next summer... i think im goin to gow ith the sf kit? i heard there's the most gains out of it...

 
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Cavaliers.. you should be able to take em without TURBO... and your a 5 speed... im AUTO and i have no problem with cavs. and Sunfires. unless it sthe GT's and Z24... which a lil bottle JUICE doesnt fix...

my 2 cents with a turbo for a D17.. is it would be great to push 200+Whp with stock internals... but Im not sure the $$$ = WHP is worth it... i mean it would be great to have our D17 run side by side with REX's and K20's... but remember most K20 and REX's out there are done up too....

in conclussion its up to you guys if you wanna Force induct your car. but in my opinion... the PARTS, STRONGER INTERNALS (you'll need new rods, valve springs, pistons, and sleeve your cylnder for better performance and ect), LABOUR, TUNING and maintenance of a turbo D17 could cost more than estimated...and i would rather get a faster car..

I GO-GO Juiced cause i fugured it was the best bang for my buck... plus i dont need to always go fast..



These are MY PERSONAL opinions... this does not flame PPL with or want turbo D17's

for those that do... Happy boosting and good luck...

 
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yes VicLX but even tho your way is easier... and cheaper... its not always the best way to go... nos beats the *** out of a car.. but our engines cost 1000.. big deall.....

 
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I can't wait to be boosted......Bakablo, just out of curiosity, what emanage accessories are you using?

 
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-NoS runs almost the same as turbo...

-Both inducts more air into the cylinder for bigger combustion to create HP...

-Both have the same problems to solve with mixing the Air/Fuel Ratio... (reason for Nitrous Companies to have Wet kits)

-NoS is Controlled cause you use it ONLY when you need it....

-Turbo is always on and even on LOW boost there is always more strain on the engine then NOS will ever do.

-Turbo DOES create more HP than any Nitrous kit... but as far as "not the best way to go"... that goes for turbo as well

 
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GT's and Z24 are a waste of gas.
94 octane is expensive.

when planning to do forced induction remember to equate into your budget an overexpenditure of 1000-2000 to clean up the kinks and to tune your car.

professional installation or having someone who is a turbo expert supervising you is a necessity.

 
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where is a good place to get my car tuned?

 
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im using the support tool.. thats it...
i wanna get the hondata whenever it comes out so i wont be dealing with e-manage much longer

 
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how much would you let the emanage go for?

 
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Turbo is something I have considered on and off as a project. My main concern is the reliability of the turbo. My car is daily driver and a turbo would no doubt make it more fun but at what expense. I need my car on the road more than in the shop.

Also a concern is engine life. I plan to keep the civic for a while so how much would a turbo shorten the engine life (or how soon would i have to start upgrading internals?)

JD

 
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it is my understanding that you can daily drive on 9lbs without problem. If you have a 2001 or 2002 then its even better, because we have a different head gasket.

I am going to run probably 8lbs daily, just to be safe.....honestly there isn't much to a turbo other then the fuel map, that is the trickey part, but with good tuning on the e-Manage or Hondata you'll be set. I don't know why Bakablo has had so many problems, when guys like Dezod have it running perfectly.

 
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well... i think my installation for e-manage if ****ed up.. my mechanic fuked it up.. but he said he connected everything according with the DIY install here... im just awaiting the hondata now to be completed... ill let the e-manage go for $350 with the support tool (usb connection and cd)

 
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im thinkin on and off to turbo or not...i have the money to do it, but like jer2k..my car is a daily driver and I can't afford for it to be in the shop more than on the road...

but i want to go faster... lol

im debating on wether I should go turbo...or instead spend the money on better internals, and like vicLX, go nitrous...

any thoughts?

 
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when do you want to get rid of it?

 
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next spring big.... i dont think tis worth taking it off this winter

 
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ah that sucks....I am tuning mand installing my turbo over the winter....ah well, if you change your mind let me know.

 
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ok big.. unless hondata comes out with the unit earlier
*shrug*

 
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just let me know bro...

 
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BIG stay away form the emanage... trust me... Secondly Fireball coatings can ceramic coat your manifold to make it look polished (Remeber mine?)... If you need a hand with anything let me know... I can help you build a sweet set-up for cheap... dont make my mistakes...

 
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Your oil rings or head gasket will go before anything else... That what happened to mine...

 
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what should I use in the place of emanage then?

 
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Ideal set up for 7thgenners...

-Custom Turbo (From cherry's turbos)
-Standalone or hondata ONLY
-Any nice front mount
-Equal lenght header (None of that ebay OBX crap!)
-Any kind 35mm wastegate
-Any kind BOV
-Block guard
-Thicker head gasket
-ARP Head bolts
-Pistons (Thats what I would do since the head is already off)
-Rc injectors
-MSD Or Walbro Fuel pump

With those internals your could run 14psi of QUALITY boost... 250-270+whp

Do it properly or dont do it at all...