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what are you talking about mandangalo? theres a few EP3's here in florida that are like 150 to 200 miles away and their asking like between 17,500 to 19,200 for them!. IMO, thats VERY expensive!!!. the civic Si hatchbacks DO re-sell VERY WELL!, TOO WELL IF YOU ASK ME! LOL!. there's NO WAY IN HELL that i'ma pay over 16K for a 2005 civic SI hatchback....*** NO!!! those cars didn't even sell very well when they came out. they didn't sell as good as HONDA wanted or thought they'd sell like. But for me, i like them ALOT!. so i'm willing to buy one and have it for as long as it takes but i'm not about to pay that much for one. even if it IS a 2005. i guess they didn't sell very well cause most people were already acustomed to the coupe SI's. didn't the civic Si start off as a HATCHBACK???. why hate on the 2001-2005's if they started off as hatches?. theres one BLACK 2005 civic SI that has about 8,000 miles on it but these idiots! are asking like 19,200 for it....they are NEVER going to sell that car if they're asking for that much. what do you guys think of all this?

 
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that is way too much. you could get one here for around 15k

 
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if it's a LATE 2005, you should get it for maybe $18,500 depending on mileage i guess, but don't lowball. 2005 isn't even old, and like you said, they retain their value well, so you just contradicted yourself saying it was too much, and later saying that their resale value is high. go research some more before you decide to buy.

 
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the actual resale value, like if you bought one and traded it in, isn't high. dealers just mark them up a lot because they are civics, and they are the Si trim level, basically marking it up because of the name. around here when i was shopping for a car a few months back, i saw an 05 ep3 for 18k, and all the others were around 12k. anything over 15k is ridiculous to pay for that car.

BaLisTek traded in his 02 em2 for an ep3 last year, and he was able to negotiate the purchase price on the EP3 down to $16k out the door, BRAND NEW. that's out the door, meaning after taxes and stuff.

 
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well ****!, i hope i can get a deal like that. i would LOVE to pay for a 2005 SI for 15 or 16 K. ofcourse i'm not ready to trade up yet. i'll be doing this around late August or early to mid September so i have some time. i ran my insurace for a 2005 civic Si and it went lower in monthly payments by like 15 dollars. and it's an Si!. LOL. there aren't any 05 Si's here in town for me. but there's alot of them like 230 miles away from me. LOL that F'ing sucks!.

tell me this guys, if you were ME. would YOU pay for a 2005 civic Si with a price of 17, 18 or 19 thousand dollars?

what SHOULD or WOULD you guys pay for a car like that? what would YOU guys like to pay for a car like that for the FINAL and WALK OUT THE DOOR price of it?.

cause it's either a 2005 civic Si. or a 2006 scion tc. NOTE: i wanna keep it HONDA,...if i can help it.

 
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hell no to the si. that is a terrible car and you're gonna need to put alot into it just to make it look good. A few people here pulled it off but from the factory its ugly and slow. get the tc for sure if those are the choices. its a much better car and you can get the factory SC and call it a day.

 
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My friend drives a 03 SI and the only reason he drives that is because the dealer gave him a deal he couldnt refuse. He bought his for 16,800 new. I got a similar offer deal for 17k SI new back in 04 but it was way too ugly to be worth it. It honestly depends on your region i guess. i think anything over 14k for a car with less than 30k mileage on is too high for that SI. That SI is heavier than a rsx and has 40 less horses. Its a boat compared to the 00 SI. If you keep searching you can probably find a few for 12-14k with less than 30k on it.

I would rather just get a used Type S for around 16k. Anything under 60k on a honda is good. If your going to do engine mods anyways, the mileage is less of factor.

 
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yeah, with all this choosing this or that car. all directions are pretty much pointing to the scion tc, for the most part. I dig the scion tc's but the thing was that i just wanted to keep it in the HONDA family. but i'm ok i guess if i were to switch it out and get a toyota made car. after all, they are the makers of the so beloved SUPRA. it's not like they don't know how to make cars and be in buisness for a long time!. i guess the ONLY other japanese made car that i'd get other than a HONDA would be a TOYOTA. i'm speaking in terms of affordable-(ness? )......and well made. everytime i get to looking for a new car, i get shot down and every and all thing/s seem to point RIGHT BACK DOWN TO THE SCION TC!. go figure....

 
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why dont you go drive one

 
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tc is a little heavy and NEEDs the TRD kit to make it worth it.

 
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yeah, but you could also say that about the base rsx, ep3 si, both torqueless, and also the mazda3 2.3. all of those cars have about the same performance handling wise, with the mz3 and tc accelerating quicker.

 
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i know this might come off as really stupid to most of you guys...atleast it was for gearbox but, if i don't get a scion tc and the deal seems to be bogus and stuff. i'm thinking of getting myself back into the same civic EM2 Ex, but a 2005 instead of this 2002 i got now. so in short, i'm going to trade my 02 Ex for an 05 Ex. LOL, ofcourse thats if i don't get myself into a scion tc. i don't know what else to get into with a budget thats looking like a 15 to 16 K dollar money spend. i'm kinda scared of getting into a 2006 scion tc when it'll come up to be like 18,300 dollars after tax, tag, title and stuff. thats a bit too much. where as i could get into an 05 Ex EM2 for like 13 or 14 maybe 15 at the most with like 8 to 10 thousand miles on it. thats not bad at all guys. i don't wanna be in debt for too long!. but like i said. my MAIN reason why i wanna get an 05 is cause i wanna keep it "HONDA". i just want a different more newer year. i sure as hell don't wanna get a 2006 year. LOL!. what are your opinions?....try not to be too hard on me now. LOL.

oh!, as for gearbox. i have been in a scion tc and sat down for a while and tried to get a feel for it and IMO, it doesn't feel any different than my EM2 i'm in now. everything feels the same...I SWEAR!. yes, i think scion tc's are a hot little car. but i've got TOO MUCH "HONDA PRIDE".

 
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do not buy the 05 em2 if there is nothing wrong with your 02. it's pretty much the same car, get something different.

 
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there ARE some things wrong with my 02 Ex. i don't like the tan interior. i DO like the white exterior though. i don't like how there's a slight little dent/scratch on one side of the car. i don't like how some of the car looks worn in by the previous owner. and who the hell knows if the clutch is shot cause the previous owner was a female that probably didn't know how to drive a stick. the brakes seem to be shot, due to her maybe. underneath the front bumber are a buncha scratches that SHE did also not knowing how the *** to park or pull up to a parking block or curb. what i don't like the most is the stupid tan interior. i wanted a white car but NOT a TAN interior. if i DO get another EM2 of a 2005 year. i'll get either a blue, black or red color and a "SPECIAL EDITION"...EDITION of the Ex. I like those special editions, they're pretty cool. if i end up getting a scion tc, i won't feel like i would need to talk in here anymore. while all of you guys are talking hype of your 7th gens. i'll be here with a NON-honda car and feel like i don't belong. if you guys had a budget of 17,500 to 18,000 to spend after tax, tag, and title. would you guys buy a scion tc? if i get the base model of the Tc. with tax, tag and title. it'll most likely come up to like 18,300 or something like that. versus if i were to get a 2005 EM2 Ex and be paying like 14 or 15 K at the most.

 
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you are still welcome to come back to these forums if you get another car, hell, most of the mods here don't even drive 7thgens anymore, they have moved on to different cars. IMO if its just the tan interior and the clutch and brakes you are worried about, you can replace the clutch and brakes easily yourself, or even find a member from the forums that lives close to you to help you, and you could also do an interior swap, or even get some custom leather or something if you want.

buying the new car and owing more money is kinda if you ask me. even the dealer you buy the new car from will wonder whats up, and maybe think something's wrong with your 02. just save up a bigger down payment and buy the tc, or even if you want to stay honda buy an 06 dx or lx.

 
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yea seriously, you might as well not do it. that sounds dumb as ****. im sorry but thats how i feel. o btw, if you are gonna give away free money, ill PM you my paypal...

 
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haha,...NO!. yeah mandangalo, you are right. it's just sometimes i day dream on whether i should get a new or used car. and if it should be an 05 civic Ex or an 06 Tc. i love the tc's but i was just afraid of comming in here not owning a civic anymore. hmm...?. maybe i SHOULD go with the tc afterall. i mean, if i'm supposed to "move on" why not start all over again and get something that i'm alien to? toyota makes good cars too. apparently these scion tc's are high demand for younger people and the tuner scene. maybe i should just keep going with my FIRST option i was going to bounce in which was a scion tc. i haven't even went to the dealership yet to talk to the salesmanager there to see. i'm waiting. i guess now i should just save my moneys for a downpayment right? i wanted to atleast throw down 2000 dollars. it's going to take a longass time to save that much anyways!. i can see that getting myself into an 05 Ex from an 02 Ex would seem fishy and stupid in most peoples eyes and opinions. so i'll just stick with the "NEW OPTION", the scion tc. it's a pretty (equivelent ) car to the honda civic.....we'll have to see. don't you have a tc mandangalo? you and i need to talk more about those cars so you can ease my "TORN" choice.

 
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also there are tons of parts for the tc, prolly more than civic now cause that tc is the new tuner car.

 
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yea the TC is the new tuner car. pretty much. but do yourself a favor and DEMAND the TRD kit. its worthless without it. i mean you could get springs and sway bars yourself. but its a pain. IF i did not have my civic, i would definitley take a TC as my next choice.

 
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ok thats cool and all. so can either of you guys tell me if the tc had any recalls other than the "rattling"? hows the engine and the craftsmanship of the engine that toyota puts in the scion tc's? i hope that the engine's that are in the tc's aren't "known" for breaking or falling apart like other cars are know for. hows the clutch and gearbox and all that stuff? i don't care for the exterior of a car as much as i care for the "HEART" of the car. the engine "for me" is where it's at. so do you guys know of any CONS or defects on tc's mostly in the engine bay?

 
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well its gotta be strong if they can offer a supercharger WITH warranty.

 
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its a pretty strong motor, i mean, they use it in the best selling car in america, and have since 2002. the AZ motors (tc, camry, solara, highlander and rav4 have the 2az-fe) have been around since 97.

the only problems people really have had with the motors are the people that are turbocharged at 16+ psi daily.

with the supercharger, some people are having oil leakage problems (from the SC housing itself), but supposedly the cause if this is that the SC sits right above the manifold/header, and theres no heatsheild between them. toyota is taking care of it, replacing the SC kit and throwing a heatshield on there now.

with the tranny, some people that beat on their cars a lot (and probably don't know how to drive), have had some tranny problems, but a few tuning companies like ZPI have turbocharged tcs and say that the gearbox holds up well, its just the clutch that takes a beating (which is to be expected once you are in the 300+whp range.

overall, the motor/tranny is good, its pretty quick stock, has a lot of torque for the type of car and all that. the only problems most people have are hatch rattles, and some sunroof rattles. on scionlife.com there are a bunch of fixes for the rattles.

 
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ok sweet!. i was wondering about all this. don't wanna end up getting the scion tc and have it break on me while i'm doing "NORMAL" driving. I don't drive hard or beat up on my car so the tc SHOULD last me. so the 2az engine is popular huh? i thought they had that engine in the supras, or am i wrong?...hmm...damn!, whats going to suckass is that after tax, tag, and title whatever. the tc is going to come up to like 18,??? something. thats quite alot but STILL good starting price for that car and what it offers. someone one time told me that you CAN NOT negotiate the price on a scion. which sucks ***!. ohwell!, i'm just going to have to save up like 2000 dollars or something. i should start to save up cause my time is near. i'm looking to do this in the summer.

mandangalo, weren't you the one that told me they had a scion tc? could've been someone else....i don't know.

 
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yeah, i have a tc. also, the supra motor was a 2jz

 
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whats the difference in the 2 motors?

hey mandangalo, i wanted to ask you and i think you've told me already but tell me your buying experience for buying your tc. how much did it start at and how much did it come up to and how much do you pay on it a month again? were you able to negotiate some kinda price drop on it? let me know please. cause you might of already told me but i forgot. i'd like to know your sittuation and what to expect from mines. thanks.

 
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one motor, the 2jz is an iron block 3.0liter inline 6 motor, aluminum head.

the 2az is a 2.4l 4cyl, aluminum block, aluminum head.

my buying experience was easy. in 04 i bought my civic for 11700+tax etc, and drove it 2 years, then went to buy a new car, settled on the tc, walked in one day at 2:30, worked some numbers, got 12k for my trade in, put some money down, and got the tc, was outta there by 6 o'clock. payments on the civic were 239.24 per month, the tc is 269.60 per month for 48 months.

 
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^^.. man i guess i paid too much for my civic when i got it in 04?? =\ i got it for $16,300 out the door, it's a civic ex.

 
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civic ex's are the most expensive cause they have the most going on, on them.

MAN!, i guess paying for a scion tc is much more cheaper a month than i thought it was going to be. i pay 225 a month now for my civic with a rate of 7.50. i'm hoping my rate for a tc will be lower. i'd like to pay like 240 to 260 a month for my tc. that would be GREAT! i thought you were going to say you worked numbers for the scion tc cause i don't think they lower the price of those cars cause they are at set price. how much was the TOTAL of the car after tax, tag and title? out the door?

and what were your feelings like getting into a newer and different car that was NOT a civic or honda? how were you able to part ways with honda?

OH!, how much money did you owe on your civic before they traded or bought it off of your hands? how much on the balance did you owe on your civic?

 
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TC would run you a good 17-18k. they start at 16 i think. anyway, just don't go in there excited and let them know you WANT the car. go in there checking it out. not wanting it. the only problem i would have with the TC is the TRD kit is NEEDED and the thing is a little on the chubby side. like 2900 i think

 
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the TRD kit isn't needed, hell, i dont even know what "kit" you are talking about (suspension or supercharger). it is quicker than an rsx base, and goes 0-60 in a little over 7 seconds, which is 2 seconds quicker than any stock of lightly modded em2. plus the short as hell gearing helps quite a bit.

2900 is indeed heavy (2920 actually), but compare it to most cars today (rsx, new civics, em2 EXs), its only slightly heavier, and pretty much anything under 3000 lbs is considered light these days.

also, Johnold said that he doesn't really care if it's quick or not, he just wants a new car.

edit: majin, you also have wtfmore posts than me.