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Lately, the rattle coming from my rear deck has been aggravating me, so I decided I want to remove it and do some work to fix that, so I decided that since I'll have the rear deck off, and I have some money that's been burning a hole in my pocket, I might as well upgrade the stock speakers. Currently, i have the stock speakers hooked up to my Pioneer HU, but I have no plans to purchase or install an amp or sub, so I'm wondering if upgraded speakers would produce at least the same amount of bass as the stockers in this configuration. Truthfully, the sound quality is good IMO, but since I'm removing the rear deck, I might as well upgrade the speakers while I'm at it. I'm looking to get 6x9s for the rear and some 6.5s for the front, but like I said, I dont want to lose any bass response. My reasoning behind this idea is that the stock speakers are meant to have whatever sound quality they do have, without an amp or sub, and that most aftermarket speakers are made to work off of an amp or along with a sub. Also, I upgraded the speakers in my mom's car with some pioneer 6.5s connected directly to her HU and they had literally no bass; really good highs, but no bass whatsoever. So I'm looking for people who've had upgraded speakers connected directly to their HU. Im not really looking to spend more than $200 for all 4. Thanks in advance for your input!
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When I drive the 04 Sedan. I had JVC HD radio HU (22w rms x 4) driving a pair of polk db650 (2 way in the front) and a pair of db6500 component with stupid tweeters. No ext amp.
Speakers are 4 ohm and the sensitivity is around 92 db
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/specs/recent/db650/
IMO, aftermarket speakers have less bass than the OEM in term of loudness. I mean the OEM produce low frequency at higher level than my polk. However, my polk produced a lot better low frequency (down to 40Hz newer one is rated about 50Hz) but you have to crank the vol up higher or adjust the equalizer at the lower band up more.
The root cause came from the engine noise. Low frequency get interfered easier than hight freq so you might have to add the amp or you have to make sure you damp the car so it keep the road noise out. When I played CD without turning the engine on. It definitely sound great with a good bass. But it won't match the subwoofer anyway.
You might have to look at the speaker that rated 2 ohm and 92 db and the amp in the HU should be able to drive them easier and you can hear the bass louder. I haven't had experience using any 2 ohm speakers nor planning to add subwoofer so in short you will expect the better bass but you will hardly hear it when you drive on the highway
To recap:
2 ohm speaker will be the good helper. higher number of sensitivity like 92 db will allow amp to drive speakers easier. If you can lower the road/engine noise from coming into the cabin, that will help also. Buy the speaker can response to lower freq like 40Hz or less.
Just my opinion. Good Luck.
Speakers are 4 ohm and the sensitivity is around 92 db
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/specs/recent/db650/
IMO, aftermarket speakers have less bass than the OEM in term of loudness. I mean the OEM produce low frequency at higher level than my polk. However, my polk produced a lot better low frequency (down to 40Hz newer one is rated about 50Hz) but you have to crank the vol up higher or adjust the equalizer at the lower band up more.
The root cause came from the engine noise. Low frequency get interfered easier than hight freq so you might have to add the amp or you have to make sure you damp the car so it keep the road noise out. When I played CD without turning the engine on. It definitely sound great with a good bass. But it won't match the subwoofer anyway.
You might have to look at the speaker that rated 2 ohm and 92 db and the amp in the HU should be able to drive them easier and you can hear the bass louder. I haven't had experience using any 2 ohm speakers nor planning to add subwoofer so in short you will expect the better bass but you will hardly hear it when you drive on the highway
To recap:
2 ohm speaker will be the good helper. higher number of sensitivity like 92 db will allow amp to drive speakers easier. If you can lower the road/engine noise from coming into the cabin, that will help also. Buy the speaker can response to lower freq like 40Hz or less.
Just my opinion. Good Luck.
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from my experience, you tend to lose a considerable amount of bass compared to stock when you upgrade to aftermarket speakers without changing the head unit or adding an amp. you will notice a huge improvement in terms of clarity but bass will suffer.
i suggest that you should upgrade the stock head unit as well if you plan on changing the stock speakers. a $100 aftermarket deck will be a huge improvement over the stock one and should be adequate enough to power aftermarket speakers.
i suggest that you should upgrade the stock head unit as well if you plan on changing the stock speakers. a $100 aftermarket deck will be a huge improvement over the stock one and should be adequate enough to power aftermarket speakers.
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When I drive the 04 Sedan. I had JVC HD radio HU (22w rms x 4) driving a pair of polk db650 (2 way in the front) and a pair of db6500 component with stupid tweeters. No ext amp.
Speakers are 4 ohm and the sensitivity is around 92 db
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/specs/recent/db650/
IMO, aftermarket speakers have less bass than the OEM in term of loudness. I mean the OEM produce low frequency at higher level than my polk. However, my polk produced a lot better low frequency (down to 40Hz newer one is rated about 50Hz) but you have to crank the vol up higher or adjust the equalizer at the lower band up more.
The root cause came from the engine noise. Low frequency get interfered easier than hight freq so you might have to add the amp or you have to make sure you damp the car so it keep the road noise out. When I played CD without turning the engine on. It definitely sound great with a good bass. But it won't match the subwoofer anyway.
You might have to look at the speaker that rated 2 ohm and 92 db and the amp in the HU should be able to drive them easier and you can hear the bass louder. I haven't had experience using any 2 ohm speakers nor planning to add subwoofer so in short you will expect the better bass but you will hardly hear it when you drive on the highway
To recap:
2 ohm speaker will be the good helper. higher number of sensitivity like 92 db will allow amp to drive speakers easier. If you can lower the road/engine noise from coming into the cabin, that will help also. Buy the speaker can response to lower freq like 40Hz or less.
Just my opinion. Good Luck.
Speakers are 4 ohm and the sensitivity is around 92 db
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/specs/recent/db650/
IMO, aftermarket speakers have less bass than the OEM in term of loudness. I mean the OEM produce low frequency at higher level than my polk. However, my polk produced a lot better low frequency (down to 40Hz newer one is rated about 50Hz) but you have to crank the vol up higher or adjust the equalizer at the lower band up more.
The root cause came from the engine noise. Low frequency get interfered easier than hight freq so you might have to add the amp or you have to make sure you damp the car so it keep the road noise out. When I played CD without turning the engine on. It definitely sound great with a good bass. But it won't match the subwoofer anyway.
You might have to look at the speaker that rated 2 ohm and 92 db and the amp in the HU should be able to drive them easier and you can hear the bass louder. I haven't had experience using any 2 ohm speakers nor planning to add subwoofer so in short you will expect the better bass but you will hardly hear it when you drive on the highway
To recap:
2 ohm speaker will be the good helper. higher number of sensitivity like 92 db will allow amp to drive speakers easier. If you can lower the road/engine noise from coming into the cabin, that will help also. Buy the speaker can response to lower freq like 40Hz or less.
Just my opinion. Good Luck.
However, I chose the Polks for a reason, high end midrange and higher frequency sounds MUCH better on these speakers PLUS, I had a SUB, so I don't need the bass from my speakers. (and so I have High pass filter set on my HU so they don't produce as much bass)
If I were to suggest bass-y type speakers, I would have went with the infinity's since they were one of my options, they produced much better bass output than the Polks, but were lacking in the highs and midrange.
So it really depends on what you want, unless you're ready to dish out bigger $$ for higher quality speakers powered by amps.
My recommendations for that price range would either go to infinity, or rockford fosgate
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When I drive the 04 Sedan. I had JVC HD radio HU (22w rms x 4) driving a pair of polk db650 (2 way in the front) and a pair of db6500 component with stupid tweeters. No ext amp.
Speakers are 4 ohm and the sensitivity is around 92 db
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/specs/recent/db650/
IMO, aftermarket speakers have less bass than the OEM in term of loudness. I mean the OEM produce low frequency at higher level than my polk. However, my polk produced a lot better low frequency (down to 40Hz newer one is rated about 50Hz) but you have to crank the vol up higher or adjust the equalizer at the lower band up more.
The root cause came from the engine noise. Low frequency get interfered easier than hight freq so you might have to add the amp or you have to make sure you damp the car so it keep the road noise out. When I played CD without turning the engine on. It definitely sound great with a good bass. But it won't match the subwoofer anyway.
You might have to look at the speaker that rated 2 ohm and 92 db and the amp in the HU should be able to drive them easier and you can hear the bass louder. I haven't had experience using any 2 ohm speakers nor planning to add subwoofer so in short you will expect the better bass but you will hardly hear it when you drive on the highway
To recap:
2 ohm speaker will be the good helper. higher number of sensitivity like 92 db will allow amp to drive speakers easier. If you can lower the road/engine noise from coming into the cabin, that will help also. Buy the speaker can response to lower freq like 40Hz or less.
Just my opinion. Good Luck.
Speakers are 4 ohm and the sensitivity is around 92 db
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/specs/recent/db650/
IMO, aftermarket speakers have less bass than the OEM in term of loudness. I mean the OEM produce low frequency at higher level than my polk. However, my polk produced a lot better low frequency (down to 40Hz newer one is rated about 50Hz) but you have to crank the vol up higher or adjust the equalizer at the lower band up more.
The root cause came from the engine noise. Low frequency get interfered easier than hight freq so you might have to add the amp or you have to make sure you damp the car so it keep the road noise out. When I played CD without turning the engine on. It definitely sound great with a good bass. But it won't match the subwoofer anyway.
You might have to look at the speaker that rated 2 ohm and 92 db and the amp in the HU should be able to drive them easier and you can hear the bass louder. I haven't had experience using any 2 ohm speakers nor planning to add subwoofer so in short you will expect the better bass but you will hardly hear it when you drive on the highway
To recap:
2 ohm speaker will be the good helper. higher number of sensitivity like 92 db will allow amp to drive speakers easier. If you can lower the road/engine noise from coming into the cabin, that will help also. Buy the speaker can response to lower freq like 40Hz or less.
Just my opinion. Good Luck.
from my experience, you tend to lose a considerable amount of bass compared to stock when you upgrade to aftermarket speakers without changing the head unit or adding an amp. you will notice a huge improvement in terms of clarity but bass will suffer.
i suggest that you should upgrade the stock head unit as well if you plan on changing the stock speakers. a $100 aftermarket deck will be a huge improvement over the stock one and should be adequate enough to power aftermarket speakers.
i suggest that you should upgrade the stock head unit as well if you plan on changing the stock speakers. a $100 aftermarket deck will be a huge improvement over the stock one and should be adequate enough to power aftermarket speakers.
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I run the Polk db's as well, and I can account for what he says
However, I chose the Polks for a reason, high end midrange and higher frequency sounds MUCH better on these speakers PLUS, I had a SUB, so I don't need the bass from my speakers. (and so I have High pass filter set on my HU so they don't produce as much bass)
If I were to suggest bass-y type speakers, I would have went with the infinity's since they were one of my options, they produced much better bass output than the Polks, but were lacking in the highs and midrange.
So it really depends on what you want, unless you're ready to dish out bigger $$ for higher quality speakers powered by amps.
My recommendations for that price range would either go to infinity, or rockford fosgate
I run the Polk db's as well, and I can account for what he says
However, I chose the Polks for a reason, high end midrange and higher frequency sounds MUCH better on these speakers PLUS, I had a SUB, so I don't need the bass from my speakers. (and so I have High pass filter set on my HU so they don't produce as much bass)
If I were to suggest bass-y type speakers, I would have went with the infinity's since they were one of my options, they produced much better bass output than the Polks, but were lacking in the highs and midrange.
So it really depends on what you want, unless you're ready to dish out bigger $$ for higher quality speakers powered by amps.
My recommendations for that price range would either go to infinity, or rockford fosgate
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So I've looked on Crutchfield to see whether or not there are Infinity/Rockford Fosgate speakers that'll fit my car. So far, it doesn't seem like there are many if any at all. Are there some on CF that will fit without modification even if they say they won't?
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Kennykid2002,
I love the sound of DB650 and the 6500. However, I sold them both already and I missed their sound though.
stewartfan,
Infinity tweeter will provide clear high due to the different type of material used. (I believe Infinity uses a titanium dome tweeter but Polk uses silk soft dome so it produces softer high freq)
Bestbuy might have lots of speakers that you can, at least, listen to theirs sounds before you make a decision. Even though the listening environment sucks, but it's better that you can hear and compare before you invest
I love the sound of DB650 and the 6500. However, I sold them both already and I missed their sound though.
stewartfan,
Infinity tweeter will provide clear high due to the different type of material used. (I believe Infinity uses a titanium dome tweeter but Polk uses silk soft dome so it produces softer high freq)
Bestbuy might have lots of speakers that you can, at least, listen to theirs sounds before you make a decision. Even though the listening environment sucks, but it's better that you can hear and compare before you invest
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I have no amp, a pioneer deck, and the bass with 2 infinty reference 6x9 two ways is better than stock. Not by a ton--but like others said it's a lot clearer. Don't go out and buy the same speakers though b/c they were a pain to make fit. When you do buy, don't buy off crutchfield, buy off amazon. It's a lot cheaper.
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I have no amp, a pioneer deck, and the bass with 2 infinty reference 6x9 two ways is better than stock. Not by a ton--but like others said it's a lot clearer. Don't go out and buy the same speakers though b/c they were a pain to make fit. When you do buy, don't buy off crutchfield, buy off amazon. It's a lot cheaper.
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Buying off crutchfield is not a bad idea. They have a very good customer service, not saying amazon is bad. But, i had an amp that blew out 4 years after I got it and I called crutchfield up and they sent another one free of charge and I sent back the old one. So you have to remember, its not always the cheaper price but the quality of the customer service.
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Ok, well where to buy my speakers isn't really the problem, however, I've done some research and I could get all four speakers for ~$120 and if I order them soon, I'll get free 2-Day shipping cause I have the free trial of Amazon Prime. Basically, I'd like to go with Infinity References, 6032cf front, and 9632cf rear. There aren't any shallow-mount 6x9s that seem worth buying, so I'm wondering what it would take to get the 9632cfs to fit into the rear deck?
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Ok, well where to buy my speakers isn't really the problem, however, I've done some research and I could get all four speakers for ~$120 and if I order them soon, I'll get free 2-Day shipping cause I have the free trial of Amazon Prime. Basically, I'd like to go with Infinity References, 6032cf front, and 9632cf rear. There aren't any shallow-mount 6x9s that seem worth buying, so I'm wondering what it would take to get the 9632cfs to fit into the rear deck?
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Those are exactly what I put in the back. They come with 1/2 inch spacers that you will HAVE to use. I also jacked up one of the holes in each with a washer. Then I had to dremel the plastic lip on the underside of the rear deck that surrounds the stock speaker. After all that, the speakers fit--kinda. I have 1/4 in of space between the tweeter part of the speaker and the plastic grill on the rear deck over the speaker. I have NO clearance for the trunk spring. Sometimes the spring barely scrapes over the speaker bottom and sometimes it barely clears it. So if you put these in--either you will have to do what I did or you will have to take out your trunk springs. Also--once you put the spacer in you will no longer be able to fit the rear screw in. Not only will you need longer screws, you will only be able to fit 3 screws in each speaker since there is no room between the rear window and the speaker to fit a screw or a bit. Mine are held in by 3 screws and I have no rattling. As long as they are tight I don't think you should have a problem.
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my bad for the wrong info. The last time i used a 6x9 speaker was in my first eg coupe, it probably was different cause it was drop in unless the magnet on my speaker was small enough i didnt need to modify anything. Again this was at least 7 years go.
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So, I ordered 4 Infinity speakers for my car, and I was wondering if it's possible for me to install them without buying anything other than what it comes with. Will I need to buy an adapter harness? Or can I make it work without one? And will it come with spacers or will I have to make some? I suddenly feel like I've gotten myself into more than I bargained for.
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I posted a whole paragraph explaining everything you would have to do just for the rear speakers. And you WILL have to do this b/c I installed the exact speakers.
For the fronts, infinity is still too big and I believe you need like a 3/4 in spacer.
Those are exactly what I put in the back. They come with 1/2 inch spacers that you will HAVE to use. I also jacked up one of the holes in each with a washer. Then I had to dremel the plastic lip on the underside of the rear deck that surrounds the stock speaker. After all that, the speakers fit--kinda. I have 1/4 in of space between the tweeter part of the speaker and the plastic grill on the rear deck over the speaker. I have NO clearance for the trunk spring. Sometimes the spring barely scrapes over the speaker bottom and sometimes it barely clears it. So if you put these in--either you will have to do what I did or you will have to take out your trunk springs. Also--once you put the spacer in you will no longer be able to fit the rear screw in. Not only will you need longer screws, you will only be able to fit 3 screws in each speaker since there is no room between the rear window and the speaker to fit a screw or a bit. Mine are held in by 3 screws and I have no rattling. As long as they are tight I don't think you should have a problem.
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Ok, thanks. What about the adapter though? Can I just strip the wires and wrap them around the prongs of the speakers and then electrical tape them?
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No way. Get some correct connectors from your local hardware store. There is a DIY for front speakers floating around here somewhere that will show you how to wire stuff without ruining the stock harness.
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Btw, working slow and being careful, it took me 7 hours or so to install the rears. Be prepared for that. People could do it a little faster, but this was my first time cutting plastic on my car. Plus I didn't break any clips.
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Here's the picture of the crimp-type connector that I bought when I worked on for my speaker cable that I use for my rear speakers.
Basically, This one is 1/4" wide. I probably need someone to confirm since I sold the car already. This fit the hole of the Honda speaker connectors and on another side of the wire, you can crimp the female connector so it can hold to the speaker terminal. Crimping is fast so I recommended.
Basically, This one is 1/4" wide. I probably need someone to confirm since I sold the car already. This fit the hole of the Honda speaker connectors and on another side of the wire, you can crimp the female connector so it can hold to the speaker terminal. Crimping is fast so I recommended.
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So, feeling a bit overwhelmed, I decided to shop around and see how much it would cost to have the speakers professionally installed, and the best quote I got was $60 for all 4, but I got cut off while I was talking to the dude so I didn't get the chance to explain that it can be quite intensive to get the rear speakers to fit, and how easy it is to create an annoying rattle situation if the rear deck isn't handled properly. If he keeps that price, it's worth it to me, because I'm looking at about $20 for both harness adaptors, and $16 for 1" spacers for the front speakers (which I was going to ask, will that work for what I'm doing?) and plus all the work, etc. that goes along with the installation. So, it seems like it won't be too bad as long as he doesn't go back on that price. The only thing is once he gets the rear deck off, I'll want to put a strip of foam along the back to get rid of the rattling I'm experiencing now.
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So, feeling a bit overwhelmed, I decided to shop around and see how much it would cost to have the speakers professionally installed, and the best quote I got was $60 for all 4, but I got cut off while I was talking to the dude so I didn't get the chance to explain that it can be quite intensive to get the rear speakers to fit, and how easy it is to create an annoying rattle situation if the rear deck isn't handled properly. If he keeps that price, it's worth it to me, because I'm looking at about $20 for both harness adaptors, and $16 for 1" spacers for the front speakers (which I was going to ask, will that work for what I'm doing?) and plus all the work, etc. that goes along with the installation. So, it seems like it won't be too bad as long as he doesn't go back on that price. The only thing is once he gets the rear deck off, I'll want to put a strip of foam along the back to get rid of the rattling I'm experiencing now.
$60 is not bad, but its really simple to install speakers. It takes less than half an hour to rip the rear apart without breaking tabs. Once that is out, everything else is pretty simple. If you live around where I live, I would do it for over a weekend when I install my speakers. I am in Brooklyn, NY. It should take 1-2 hours tops if you read the DIY.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/2...all-coupe.html
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http://www.crutchfield.com/S-MFTompt...sterSheet.html
Here is another link, you can just call that number and crutchfield will send you a copy of their mastersheet as well, it has step by step instructions. I know there is a pdf floating around somewhere on this forum but I cant seem to find it. (I got my mastersheet from another user that posted it up)
Here is another link, you can just call that number and crutchfield will send you a copy of their mastersheet as well, it has step by step instructions. I know there is a pdf floating around somewhere on this forum but I cant seem to find it. (I got my mastersheet from another user that posted it up)
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It takes less than half an hour to rip the rear apart without breaking tabs.
Here is the DIY. Click Me
And this DIY actually has working pictures.
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You also don't need to buy harness adapters. You can make your own. Look at the DIY for front speaker install and that shows how to make your own. And 1 inch spacer should probably work for the fronts. If it doesn't, go with a little smaller or you might have to cut some plastic.
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Correction, I just got this car and only ripped out the rear once and put it back together for this car. Yes I had stripped a lot of cars before to do full systems, but I remember even my first time on a 240sx, it only took me 3 hours to remove everything, seats, carpets and panels to put in a full system, 2 amps, 4 speakers and 2 subs. Putting things back together takes up most of the time. But if you have simple knowledge of how to use a wrench and screw driver, it takes very little time to remove stuff. Its only time consuming when u want everything to look pretty when re-installing.
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So, it took me almost 7 hours to do, but I finally got the speakers installed. A little more work than I thought it would be, and I broke some of the clips, but I'm happy with this experience over all. If I could go back, I'd probably stick to just upgrading the front speakers, because that would have given me the results I wanted without all of the hassle of the rears cause the highs are better, but that's really only significant to the people sitting in the back seat. Now, I have to find some spacers in town so I can install the front speakers tomorrow. I hate living in a small town.
