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Hi I just had my timing belt chañged on my 93 civic and the day I took it home it started drinking fuel like it was water ... could the shop have not set the correct timing when they did the belt ot is just a fluke that my mileage took a dive..mind u it seems to be running fine
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could the shop have not set the correct timing when they did the belt
Could have sprung a leak too (rust belt here), do you smell gasoline?
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Hi well I just got it back from the dealer. And here's what they said..
Slight misfire, under hand throttle in second and 3rd gear. No fault codes. Engine timing is within specs,o2 sensors responds okay, slightly low vacumm, catalytic convertor 160f upper lower 100f, exhaust system is restricted.
So what do you think I should do. I just put this cat on 3 weeks ago could it have already gone to ****. Or maybe my muffler is clogged. Causing the catalytic convertor to not heat up.. and for the mis fire.. could I just need a tune up? Cause i just replaced the objectors and fuel rail today... I hope u can help
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Got any documentation (real miles, figures, and calculations) of the gas mileage drop? Consistent tracking of miles and fill ups over a real long period of time is great for showing a sudden dramatic change. 99% of people don't or can't do this.
The price of the gas going up does not mean your mileage is going down. The cost has nothing to do with gas mileage.
Without that as some sort of proof that there is a real problem going on, even a smart tech won't have much to go on unless there is an actual obvious problem with the way it runs.
Most of the time, a good observant tech can detect some sort of issue in how it runs when there is a valid complaint like this.
Most of the time, these complaints are due to driving habits and/or several basics in the car or the fuel.
Temperature drop alone causes more gas to be used.
Temperature drop causes tire pressure to drop, and that means more gas is used.
Winter blend fuel causes a sudden change in gas mileage. (Not sure if this is in effect yet, doubt it here.)
Alcohol/ethanol can make a pretty large difference.
Cheapo discount gas can make a difference.
(See and read here: http://www.toptiergas.com/ )
Dragging brakes, shifter in the wrong D gear, traffic conditions, headwind, McDonalds Drive-thru time, loaning the car to a teenage Fast-N-furious wannabe, and much more all have their effects on gas mileage without having any effect on how the engine itself runs.
I'd have to see the intake manifold design, that could easily be an EGR passage clog issue.
Or not.
The statement itself is kind of vague though, but should be easily verifiable on a road test or in the shop.
You drive the car daily: Does it act this way under those conditions?
ok....if the ignition timing was properly checked, then the timing belt should be properly timed. That answers my original thought.
Need a definition of "slightly" here. Proof. Actual values that we can read and verify if necessary, or a comparison of a known good engine to yours, for example.
These numbers are completely wrong for an engine that has been running. Have you ever felt how hot an exhaust system gets?
Those numbers alone make me suspect that whomever got your car shouldn't have had your car. More on this later.
Again, proof is needed. Actual tests and results, or at least a symptom that was noticed (that a pro could read and say "oh yeah, it sure should be with that symptom").
This would give an obvious symptom that most drivers should notice: Drive the car.... Floor the gas pedal and hold it to the floor all the way until redline. Does the engine have all the power it should?
You have a list of observations made by someone that may or (I suspect) may not be a qualified specialist in the areas needed.
Are you in an area that has emissions testing?
If yes, then was the tech a smog licensed/L-1 or L-2 certified tech?
I'm expected to give proof and/or explain my reasoning for my answers on complaints like this.
But I have no idea what that gets translated into by the time someone else has to try to explain it to an owner/driver. Much of the technical stuff gets lost on most people.
I also know how difficult it is to chase "ghosts", this is what your complaint could be without documentation and without obvious symptoms.
Maybe they think you are just wanting to place blame for other issues since you just spent a lot of money (happens all the time, BTW).
What happened to the old cat?
It normally takes obvious misfire to damage a cat. A dead cylinder could do it. Cat got hot enough to glow could do it.
If the old cat broke the element apart, it could have sent debris throughout the rest of the exhaust system, and yes, that could cause restriction. Random and intermittent too, since pieces can bounce around and move.
165/100 degrees? They measured the temp of the heat shields, not the actual cat itself. OR they measured a cold cat. Both are rookie mistakes. (Apply that statement to everything they told you. Whether it will be true or not is anyones guess though. Could be the tech, could be the advisor. I don't know where to point the finger, but it needs pointed now.)
Tune up? When was your last tune up? Should be every 30k on that, and use the correct NGK plugs.
I am giggling at "objectors". They are "injectors".
Why were these replaced?
Someone needs to prove the car has a problem first.
Then that problem needs to be verified, symptoms observed, and then diagnosed accordingly.
It's tough when the patient only says "I think something hurts", without a lot more info to go on. See?
HTH
The price of the gas going up does not mean your mileage is going down. The cost has nothing to do with gas mileage.
Without that as some sort of proof that there is a real problem going on, even a smart tech won't have much to go on unless there is an actual obvious problem with the way it runs.
Most of the time, a good observant tech can detect some sort of issue in how it runs when there is a valid complaint like this.
Most of the time, these complaints are due to driving habits and/or several basics in the car or the fuel.
Temperature drop alone causes more gas to be used.
Temperature drop causes tire pressure to drop, and that means more gas is used.
Winter blend fuel causes a sudden change in gas mileage. (Not sure if this is in effect yet, doubt it here.)
Alcohol/ethanol can make a pretty large difference.
Cheapo discount gas can make a difference.
(See and read here: http://www.toptiergas.com/ )
Dragging brakes, shifter in the wrong D gear, traffic conditions, headwind, McDonalds Drive-thru time, loaning the car to a teenage Fast-N-furious wannabe, and much more all have their effects on gas mileage without having any effect on how the engine itself runs.
Slight misfire, under hand throttle in second and 3rd gear.
Or not.
The statement itself is kind of vague though, but should be easily verifiable on a road test or in the shop.
You drive the car daily: Does it act this way under those conditions?
Engine timing is within specs,o2 sensors responds okay,
slightly low vacumm
catalytic convertor 160f upper lower 100f
Those numbers alone make me suspect that whomever got your car shouldn't have had your car. More on this later.
exhaust system is restricted
This would give an obvious symptom that most drivers should notice: Drive the car.... Floor the gas pedal and hold it to the floor all the way until redline. Does the engine have all the power it should?
You have a list of observations made by someone that may or (I suspect) may not be a qualified specialist in the areas needed.
Are you in an area that has emissions testing?
If yes, then was the tech a smog licensed/L-1 or L-2 certified tech?
I'm expected to give proof and/or explain my reasoning for my answers on complaints like this.
But I have no idea what that gets translated into by the time someone else has to try to explain it to an owner/driver. Much of the technical stuff gets lost on most people.
I also know how difficult it is to chase "ghosts", this is what your complaint could be without documentation and without obvious symptoms.
Maybe they think you are just wanting to place blame for other issues since you just spent a lot of money (happens all the time, BTW).
I just put this cat on 3 weeks ago could it have already gone to ****. Or maybe my muffler is clogged. Causing the catalytic convertor to not heat up.. and for the mis fire.. could I just need a tune up?
It normally takes obvious misfire to damage a cat. A dead cylinder could do it. Cat got hot enough to glow could do it.
If the old cat broke the element apart, it could have sent debris throughout the rest of the exhaust system, and yes, that could cause restriction. Random and intermittent too, since pieces can bounce around and move.
165/100 degrees? They measured the temp of the heat shields, not the actual cat itself. OR they measured a cold cat. Both are rookie mistakes. (Apply that statement to everything they told you. Whether it will be true or not is anyones guess though. Could be the tech, could be the advisor. I don't know where to point the finger, but it needs pointed now.)
Tune up? When was your last tune up? Should be every 30k on that, and use the correct NGK plugs.
Cause i just replaced the objectors and fuel rail today...
Why were these replaced?
Someone needs to prove the car has a problem first.
Then that problem needs to be verified, symptoms observed, and then diagnosed accordingly.
It's tough when the patient only says "I think something hurts", without a lot more info to go on. See?
HTH
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Got any documentation (real miles, figures, and calculations) of the gas mileage drop? Consistent tracking of miles and fill ups over a real long period of time is great for showing a sudden dramatic change. 99% of people don't or can't do this.
The price of the gas going up does not mean your mileage is going down. The cost has nothing to do with gas mileage.
Without that as some sort of proof that there is a real problem going on, even a smart tech won't have much to go on unless there is an actual obvious problem with the way it runs.
Most of the time, a good observant tech can detect some sort of issue in how it runs when there is a valid complaint like this.
Most of the time, these complaints are due to driving habits and/or several basics in the car or the fuel.
Temperature drop alone causes more gas to be used.
Temperature drop causes tire pressure to drop, and that means more gas is used.
Winter blend fuel causes a sudden change in gas mileage. (Not sure if this is in effect yet, doubt it here.)
Alcohol/ethanol can make a pretty large difference.
Cheapo discount gas can make a difference.
(See and read here: http://www.toptiergas.com/ )
Dragging brakes, shifter in the wrong D gear, traffic conditions, headwind, McDonalds Drive-thru time, loaning the car to a teenage Fast-N-furious wannabe, and much more all have their effects on gas mileage without having any effect on how the engine itself runs.
I'd have to see the intake manifold design, that could easily be an EGR passage clog issue.
Or not.
The statement itself is kind of vague though, but should be easily verifiable on a road test or in the shop.
You drive the car daily: Does it act this way under those conditions?
ok....if the ignition timing was properly checked, then the timing belt should be properly timed. That answers my original thought.
Need a definition of "slightly" here. Proof. Actual values that we can read and verify if necessary, or a comparison of a known good engine to yours, for example.
These numbers are completely wrong for an engine that has been running. Have you ever felt how hot an exhaust system gets?
Those numbers alone make me suspect that whomever got your car shouldn't have had your car. More on this later.
Again, proof is needed. Actual tests and results, or at least a symptom that was noticed (that a pro could read and say "oh yeah, it sure should be with that symptom").
This would give an obvious symptom that most drivers should notice: Drive the car.... Floor the gas pedal and hold it to the floor all the way until redline. Does the engine have all the power it should?
You have a list of observations made by someone that may or (I suspect) may not be a qualified specialist in the areas needed.
Are you in an area that has emissions testing?
If yes, then was the tech a smog licensed/L-1 or L-2 certified tech?
I'm expected to give proof and/or explain my reasoning for my answers on complaints like this.
But I have no idea what that gets translated into by the time someone else has to try to explain it to an owner/driver. Much of the technical stuff gets lost on most people.
I also know how difficult it is to chase "ghosts", this is what your complaint could be without documentation and without obvious symptoms.
Maybe they think you are just wanting to place blame for other issues since you just spent a lot of money (happens all the time, BTW).
What happened to the old cat?
It normally takes obvious misfire to damage a cat. A dead cylinder could do it. Cat got hot enough to glow could do it.
If the old cat broke the element apart, it could have sent debris throughout the rest of the exhaust system, and yes, that could cause restriction. Random and intermittent too, since pieces can bounce around and move.
165/100 degrees? They measured the temp of the heat shields, not the actual cat itself. OR they measured a cold cat. Both are rookie mistakes. (Apply that statement to everything they told you. Whether it will be true or not is anyones guess though. Could be the tech, could be the advisor. I don't know where to point the finger, but it needs pointed now.)
Tune up? When was your last tune up? Should be every 30k on that, and use the correct NGK plugs.
I am giggling at "objectors". They are "injectors".
Why were these replaced?
Someone needs to prove the car has a problem first.
Then that problem needs to be verified, symptoms observed, and then diagnosed accordingly.
It's tough when the patient only says "I think something hurts", without a lot more info to go on. See?
HTH
The price of the gas going up does not mean your mileage is going down. The cost has nothing to do with gas mileage.
Without that as some sort of proof that there is a real problem going on, even a smart tech won't have much to go on unless there is an actual obvious problem with the way it runs.
Most of the time, a good observant tech can detect some sort of issue in how it runs when there is a valid complaint like this.
Most of the time, these complaints are due to driving habits and/or several basics in the car or the fuel.
Temperature drop alone causes more gas to be used.
Temperature drop causes tire pressure to drop, and that means more gas is used.
Winter blend fuel causes a sudden change in gas mileage. (Not sure if this is in effect yet, doubt it here.)
Alcohol/ethanol can make a pretty large difference.
Cheapo discount gas can make a difference.
(See and read here: http://www.toptiergas.com/ )
Dragging brakes, shifter in the wrong D gear, traffic conditions, headwind, McDonalds Drive-thru time, loaning the car to a teenage Fast-N-furious wannabe, and much more all have their effects on gas mileage without having any effect on how the engine itself runs.
I'd have to see the intake manifold design, that could easily be an EGR passage clog issue.
Or not.
The statement itself is kind of vague though, but should be easily verifiable on a road test or in the shop.
You drive the car daily: Does it act this way under those conditions?
ok....if the ignition timing was properly checked, then the timing belt should be properly timed. That answers my original thought.
Need a definition of "slightly" here. Proof. Actual values that we can read and verify if necessary, or a comparison of a known good engine to yours, for example.
These numbers are completely wrong for an engine that has been running. Have you ever felt how hot an exhaust system gets?
Those numbers alone make me suspect that whomever got your car shouldn't have had your car. More on this later.
Again, proof is needed. Actual tests and results, or at least a symptom that was noticed (that a pro could read and say "oh yeah, it sure should be with that symptom").
This would give an obvious symptom that most drivers should notice: Drive the car.... Floor the gas pedal and hold it to the floor all the way until redline. Does the engine have all the power it should?
You have a list of observations made by someone that may or (I suspect) may not be a qualified specialist in the areas needed.
Are you in an area that has emissions testing?
If yes, then was the tech a smog licensed/L-1 or L-2 certified tech?
I'm expected to give proof and/or explain my reasoning for my answers on complaints like this.
But I have no idea what that gets translated into by the time someone else has to try to explain it to an owner/driver. Much of the technical stuff gets lost on most people.
I also know how difficult it is to chase "ghosts", this is what your complaint could be without documentation and without obvious symptoms.
Maybe they think you are just wanting to place blame for other issues since you just spent a lot of money (happens all the time, BTW).
What happened to the old cat?
It normally takes obvious misfire to damage a cat. A dead cylinder could do it. Cat got hot enough to glow could do it.
If the old cat broke the element apart, it could have sent debris throughout the rest of the exhaust system, and yes, that could cause restriction. Random and intermittent too, since pieces can bounce around and move.
165/100 degrees? They measured the temp of the heat shields, not the actual cat itself. OR they measured a cold cat. Both are rookie mistakes. (Apply that statement to everything they told you. Whether it will be true or not is anyones guess though. Could be the tech, could be the advisor. I don't know where to point the finger, but it needs pointed now.)
Tune up? When was your last tune up? Should be every 30k on that, and use the correct NGK plugs.
I am giggling at "objectors". They are "injectors".
Why were these replaced?
Someone needs to prove the car has a problem first.
Then that problem needs to be verified, symptoms observed, and then diagnosed accordingly.
It's tough when the patient only says "I think something hurts", without a lot more info to go on. See?
HTH
Thanks for the reply
My mileage is on or about 15 due to filling up and dividing number of miles to gallons used
My driving habits are conservative I don't speed at all. But yes I do use discount fuel
I don't think this car has an egr valve to have a egr passage problem
The slight misfire means that when I'm in second gear it kinda hesitates when accelerating.
As far as the the convertor not being hot enough the info I have u was what they told me on the phone and on the paperwork.
I'm going to have my exhaust system checked tomorrow
The other cat had to be removed for smog purposes.. It failed because it wasn't performing.. That's what I was told at the smog shop
And yes sorry I didn't do a spell check before submitting I meant injectors lol
They were replaced because they were extremely dirty both inside and out so I decided since it was a used car I mine as well do it so I know when it was done last
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I don't think this car has an egr valve to have a egr passage problem
My mileage is on or about 15 due to
But yes I do use discount fuel
The slight misfire means that when I'm in second gear it kinda hesitates when accelerating.
That might be a symptom that could be verified and diagnosed.
A clogged or restricted injector could also cause the "slight misfire" symptom described above too.
Did any of the symptoms clear up since you replaced the injectors?
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Likely true. I'm used to US market cars, I am not real familiar with what was installed for the Canadian market.
So what was the gas mileage prior to this current problem?
Hard to blame only the fuel for that sort of gas mileage, although a tank of E-85 could give pretty crummy gas mileage without much (if any) symptoms. (An OBD2 car would usually give lean codes when this happens, but I'm not sure if a car as old as yours would do something similar.)
I'm fully aware of what the statement means, I was asking if you could feel what they described while you are driving it.
That might be a symptom that could be verified and diagnosed.
A clogged or restricted injector could also cause the "slight misfire" symptom described above too.
Did any of the symptoms clear up since you replaced the injectors?
So what was the gas mileage prior to this current problem?
Hard to blame only the fuel for that sort of gas mileage, although a tank of E-85 could give pretty crummy gas mileage without much (if any) symptoms. (An OBD2 car would usually give lean codes when this happens, but I'm not sure if a car as old as yours would do something similar.)
I'm fully aware of what the statement means, I was asking if you could feel what they described while you are driving it.
That might be a symptom that could be verified and diagnosed.
A clogged or restricted injector could also cause the "slight misfire" symptom described above too.
Did any of the symptoms clear up since you replaced the injectors?
Hello I didn't mean to insult ur intelligence about the misfire, yea I felt it before I took it in
No the misfire symptoms stayed even after I replaced the injectors.. Maybe I need new plugs as well as a new cat.. Considering I just bought it ill get it replaced tomorrow
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yea I felt it before I took it in
Maybe I need new plugs as well as a new cat..
Easily checked, or just spend the $12 for a set of the correct NGK brand plugs and change them.
I would think this would have been an easy thing for the last "tech" to check for your complaints on gas mileage and/or misfires though.
Lazy? Didn't know? Didn't think? Who knows?
How about the distributor cap, rotor, and plug wires?
How old are those?
Cat? No. Not until the engine runs right.
Reason: A badly running engine can ruin a cat in a matter of minutes.
Even then, a professional should verify there is actually a problem with the cat. (Not the dealer you had it at.)
Even then, you said your cat is only 2 weeks old. It should have a warranty.
I sure can't believe what your dealer said about the cat because of the blatantly wrong temp info they fed you, and temperature readings alone are not exactly a valid test anyway. Temps vary widely during normal operation.
How far off were their temp numbers?
I'll tell you that an engine that is running for long enough to warm up can have exhaust manifold temps of 300F-600F, depending on where you measure it.
A cat that is warmed up and operating can be a couple hundred degrees higher than the main manifold.
An exhaust manifold and cat can reach 1000F+ under a sustained heavy load.
A broken engine dumping raw fuel into a hot cat can cause it to glow bright red, or almost white (2500F+).
By comparison, if what they checked was the actual steel of the cat and came up with 160/100, then that engine had not been running but about 30 seconds or less. Not acceptable. Invalid.
Do you understand why I have a problem with their numbers?
It took at least 2 different people that had no clue about what those numbers should or shouldn't have been, in order to get that wrong info all the way to you on paper.
IMHO, any driveability/smog/emissions tech that really knows what he is doing should have a big issue with the numbers (165F/100F) the dealer told you.
"Sufficient ignorance can be indistinguishable from malice."
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Ok then this should make finding a problem much easier since it apparently would be an obvious running problem. I would chase this symptom if it were the most obvious.
Plugs, maybe.
Easily checked, or just spend the $12 for a set of the correct NGK brand plugs and change them.
I would think this would have been an easy thing for the last "tech" to check for your complaints on gas mileage and/or misfires though.
Lazy? Didn't know? Didn't think? Who knows?
How about the distributor cap, rotor, and plug wires?
How old are those?
Cat? No. Not until the engine runs right.
Reason: A badly running engine can ruin a cat in a matter of minutes.
Even then, a professional should verify there is actually a problem with the cat. (Not the dealer you had it at.)
Even then, you said your cat is only 2 weeks old. It should have a warranty.
I sure can't believe what your dealer said about the cat because of the blatantly wrong temp info they fed you, and temperature readings alone are not exactly a valid test anyway. Temps vary widely during normal operation.
How far off were their temp numbers?
I'll tell you that an engine that is running for long enough to warm up can have exhaust manifold temps of 300F-600F, depending on where you measure it.
A cat that is warmed up and operating can be a couple hundred degrees higher than the main manifold.
An exhaust manifold and cat can reach 1000F+ under a sustained heavy load.
A broken engine dumping raw fuel into a hot cat can cause it to glow bright red, or almost white (2500F+).
By comparison, if what they checked was the actual steel of the cat and came up with 160/100, then that engine had not been running but about 30 seconds or less. Not acceptable. Invalid.
Do you understand why I have a problem with their numbers?
It took at least 2 different people that had no clue about what those numbers should or shouldn't have been, in order to get that wrong info all the way to you on paper.
IMHO, any driveability/smog/emissions tech that really knows what he is doing should have a big issue with the numbers (165F/100F) the dealer told you.
"Sufficient ignorance can be indistinguishable from malice."
Plugs, maybe.
Easily checked, or just spend the $12 for a set of the correct NGK brand plugs and change them.
I would think this would have been an easy thing for the last "tech" to check for your complaints on gas mileage and/or misfires though.
Lazy? Didn't know? Didn't think? Who knows?
How about the distributor cap, rotor, and plug wires?
How old are those?
Cat? No. Not until the engine runs right.
Reason: A badly running engine can ruin a cat in a matter of minutes.
Even then, a professional should verify there is actually a problem with the cat. (Not the dealer you had it at.)
Even then, you said your cat is only 2 weeks old. It should have a warranty.
I sure can't believe what your dealer said about the cat because of the blatantly wrong temp info they fed you, and temperature readings alone are not exactly a valid test anyway. Temps vary widely during normal operation.
How far off were their temp numbers?
I'll tell you that an engine that is running for long enough to warm up can have exhaust manifold temps of 300F-600F, depending on where you measure it.
A cat that is warmed up and operating can be a couple hundred degrees higher than the main manifold.
An exhaust manifold and cat can reach 1000F+ under a sustained heavy load.
A broken engine dumping raw fuel into a hot cat can cause it to glow bright red, or almost white (2500F+).
By comparison, if what they checked was the actual steel of the cat and came up with 160/100, then that engine had not been running but about 30 seconds or less. Not acceptable. Invalid.
Do you understand why I have a problem with their numbers?
It took at least 2 different people that had no clue about what those numbers should or shouldn't have been, in order to get that wrong info all the way to you on paper.
IMHO, any driveability/smog/emissions tech that really knows what he is doing should have a big issue with the numbers (165F/100F) the dealer told you.
"Sufficient ignorance can be indistinguishable from malice."
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Well, you said your car has a I'd have to say yes, but with exceptions. Some people are completely oblivious to running problems, and some people notice every little thing.
I can't say if the wires are your problem or not.
Normally when plug wire(s) are faulty, the end result is a miss on the affected cylinder.
The miss could be consistent or random, may be only under a load or maybe with no extra load, maybe only when it is humid or rainy outside, maybe other conditions too.
Could be 1 miss out of 100 successful fires, or could be 100 out of 100. Many possible ways a miss could be noticed.
BUT the plug wire either delivers the high voltage to its intended target, or it doesn't. When it doesn't (meaning when the high voltage finds an alternate path to its ground other than the spark plug), the miss happens.
HTH
Slight misfire, under hand throttle in second and 3rd gear
I can't say if the wires are your problem or not.
Normally when plug wire(s) are faulty, the end result is a miss on the affected cylinder.
The miss could be consistent or random, may be only under a load or maybe with no extra load, maybe only when it is humid or rainy outside, maybe other conditions too.
Could be 1 miss out of 100 successful fires, or could be 100 out of 100. Many possible ways a miss could be noticed.
BUT the plug wire either delivers the high voltage to its intended target, or it doesn't. When it doesn't (meaning when the high voltage finds an alternate path to its ground other than the spark plug), the miss happens.
HTH
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Well, you said your car has a I'd have to say yes, but with exceptions. Some people are completely oblivious to running problems, and some people notice every little thing.
I can't say if the wires are your problem or not.
Normally when plug wire(s) are faulty, the end result is a miss on the affected cylinder.
The miss could be consistent or random, may be only under a load or maybe with no extra load, maybe only when it is humid or rainy outside, maybe other conditions too.
Could be 1 miss out of 100 successful fires, or could be 100 out of 100. Many possible ways a miss could be noticed.
BUT the plug wire either delivers the high voltage to its intended target, or it doesn't. When it doesn't (meaning when the high voltage finds an alternate path to its ground other than the spark plug), the miss happens.
HTH
I can't say if the wires are your problem or not.
Normally when plug wire(s) are faulty, the end result is a miss on the affected cylinder.
The miss could be consistent or random, may be only under a load or maybe with no extra load, maybe only when it is humid or rainy outside, maybe other conditions too.
Could be 1 miss out of 100 successful fires, or could be 100 out of 100. Many possible ways a miss could be noticed.
BUT the plug wire either delivers the high voltage to its intended target, or it doesn't. When it doesn't (meaning when the high voltage finds an alternate path to its ground other than the spark plug), the miss happens.
HTH
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Ok we'll tomorrow I'm going to get a major tune up.
Would you go to a surgeon asking for your spleen to be removed, while holding your shoulder? Do you think the surgeon would do as you ask, or do you think he would start asking a lot of questions?
This industry is full of people that work on cars.
Far fewer can actually fix them.
There is a huge difference.
Not everyone with a shoebox full of tools has the same abilities and talents.
Some people in this industry have no business touching cars, yet they do.
Some only want your money and have no interest in fixing your problems.
Some of us thrive on solving problems.
Find a trusted, qualified, competent technician.
It would probably be smarter to ask for the problem to be diagnosed and fixed, rather than tell them what jobs you want done.
You must demonstrate exactly what the problem is though, so everyone directly involved knows what needs fixed.
SHOW them what you mean.
Take the tech for a quick drive to demonstrate your concern.
Then let the professional do his job.
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You think that will fix it?
Would you go to a surgeon asking for your spleen to be removed, while holding your shoulder? Do you think the surgeon would do as you ask, or do you think he would start asking a lot of questions?
This industry is full of people that work on cars.
Far fewer can actually fix them.
There is a huge difference.
Not everyone with a shoebox full of tools has the same abilities and talents.
Some people in this industry have no business touching cars, yet they do.
Some only want your money and have no interest in fixing your problems.
Some of us thrive on solving problems.
Find a trusted, qualified, competent technician.
It would probably be smarter to ask for the problem to be diagnosed and fixed, rather than tell them what jobs you want done.
You must demonstrate exactly what the problem is though, so everyone directly involved knows what needs fixed.
SHOW them what you mean.
Take the tech for a quick drive to demonstrate your concern.
Then let the professional do his job.
Would you go to a surgeon asking for your spleen to be removed, while holding your shoulder? Do you think the surgeon would do as you ask, or do you think he would start asking a lot of questions?
This industry is full of people that work on cars.
Far fewer can actually fix them.
There is a huge difference.
Not everyone with a shoebox full of tools has the same abilities and talents.
Some people in this industry have no business touching cars, yet they do.
Some only want your money and have no interest in fixing your problems.
Some of us thrive on solving problems.
Find a trusted, qualified, competent technician.
It would probably be smarter to ask for the problem to be diagnosed and fixed, rather than tell them what jobs you want done.
You must demonstrate exactly what the problem is though, so everyone directly involved knows what needs fixed.
SHOW them what you mean.
Take the tech for a quick drive to demonstrate your concern.
Then let the professional do his job.
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You think that will fix it?
Would you go to a surgeon asking for your spleen to be removed, while holding your shoulder? Do you think the surgeon would do as you ask, or do you think he would start asking a lot of questions?
This industry is full of people that work on cars.
Far fewer can actually fix them.
There is a huge difference.
Not everyone with a shoebox full of tools has the same abilities and talents.
Some people in this industry have no business touching cars, yet they do.
Some only want your money and have no interest in fixing your problems.
Some of us thrive on solving problems.
Find a trusted, qualified, competent technician.
It would probably be smarter to ask for the problem to be diagnosed and fixed, rather than tell them what jobs you want done.
You must demonstrate exactly what the problem is though, so everyone directly involved knows what needs fixed.
SHOW them what you mean.
Take the tech for a quick drive to demonstrate your concern.
Then let the professional do his job.
Would you go to a surgeon asking for your spleen to be removed, while holding your shoulder? Do you think the surgeon would do as you ask, or do you think he would start asking a lot of questions?
This industry is full of people that work on cars.
Far fewer can actually fix them.
There is a huge difference.
Not everyone with a shoebox full of tools has the same abilities and talents.
Some people in this industry have no business touching cars, yet they do.
Some only want your money and have no interest in fixing your problems.
Some of us thrive on solving problems.
Find a trusted, qualified, competent technician.
It would probably be smarter to ask for the problem to be diagnosed and fixed, rather than tell them what jobs you want done.
You must demonstrate exactly what the problem is though, so everyone directly involved knows what needs fixed.
SHOW them what you mean.
Take the tech for a quick drive to demonstrate your concern.
Then let the professional do his job.
Hey we'll again I'm writing because I took it to the shop here I got the car and explained to them like what I told u about what Honda said and he looked at me funny.. They cut off the cat and showed me that there was no restriction and the upper side of the cat was black which shows running rich condition I'm sure u already know that.. So he sent me to a repair shop to where he gets his work done at and was nice enough to follow me to take me home. So it has to be either the vacuum problem or it just needs a tune up.. The place it took it to was both a general repair shop and a smog shop so they have a smoke machine to find the vacuum leak.. Hopefully it's just a hose m not like the canister or canister solenoid
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Well I just got it back from the shop and it turned out my problem wasn't too big or expensive at that.. My car was running rich because the thermostat was stuck open and running a continuous loop of coolent whichade the car think it was always cold.. Something the dealership couldn't figure out so to speak.. So a lesson out there.. The dealer doesn't always know what's happening with your car even though they are supposed to be the expert.. Thanks for your help
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