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Old 05-26-2005   #31  
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Another thing as well, usually when Honda makes updates like that on any part, its usually for a better part. Atleast thats what I've been told by more than a couple Honda reps.
Not in the case with the Honda filters. Take a look at the link I posted comparing the A01 and the A02 filters. The construction of the A02 filters are crap compared to the A01.
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^^^Exactly. Honda like all other car manufacturers have to make money, thats why they are in business.

Honda reps tell you what they think will make them the most money.

And one more thing Hyundai has been getting a lot better in the quality dept. Their new Tucson has actually gotten better quality ratings than any other vehicle in its class. They just have to shake the reputation they got with the crappy Excel.

Well to end this Honda made a bad decision switching from the Filtech filters, one that's proven is the fact that they quickly changed the name on their canisters from FRAM to Honeywell when people started complaining about the crappy FRAM filters. I guess they thought people would be more comfortable buying something that said Honeywell instead of Fram.
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Well I give you credit because it sounds like you've down your research and I can appreciate that. You're probably right about Hondas new choice of oil filters. However, I'm not about to go out and buy a Hyundai either because just because people are saying Hondas quality is going down. I am right though when it comes to some certain parts.
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Their new Tucson has actually gotten better quality ratings than any other vehicle in its class.
"initial quality". initial quality IMO is pretty useless. the best determination of the quality of a car is where it stands after 5 years. wait 5 years and I gaurantee the Tucson will NOT be the best in its class.
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^^^Here we go again! At my place of employment I have access to every quality study available to the automotive industry. In 5yrs. Hyundai will be in a very very good position as far as quality goes. Its hard to shake a bad reputation look at how long its taken Dodge/Chrysler to get over its 20 yr sales slump. Now its whats making the money for DaimlerChrysler, as Mercedes has fallen from the top tier they enjoyed for so long. Well this is my last post no sense in arguing over what I can and have read in countless quality reports pretty much everyday for the last 5 yrs.
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please enlighten us! point us to your sources! while hyundai has certainly stepped up in quality after much bad press and many problems/issues in the last 5 years, only time will tell as to whether or not this change is permanent. if the tucson holds up in quality in 5 years, 10 years, etc, then that's awesome. I know hyundai has made strides, so hopefully it keeps up. I'm just saying intial quality is always different than what quality will be in 5 years.
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Haha funny how this thread went from s2000 oil filters, to which company makes them, to how hyundai's quality has been stepped up in the past few years.

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FYI on this one...

the S2000 filter IS compatible with the civic. however, even though you gain 3 oz of oil capacity, you lose quite a bit of filter material...why? well the S2000 uses a 10w30 oil so it needs freer flowing media, hence less material to travel the heavier oil through. So you have give an take, and i'm not sure weather it's worth the sacrafice in oil filtration performance?


p.s. I ONLY use Honda filters! unless/until a superior performance aftermarket version is available.
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I was looking into this a bit....turns out there is NO S2000 filter! per say. The current S2000 filter is actually the old full line Honda filter. how you say? well...they just changed the Honda full line filter last year. it's smaller than it was. aside from the S2k. the filter is essentially the old full line size (larger than current, therefore more oil capacity) so to say you want an S2000 filter isn't necessarily anything new.
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lol you're WAY off.

there IS an S2000 oil filter that has been in use since MY2003. The original filter was the PLM filter that was a general use honda filter.

Eventually Honda felt the S2000 needed it's own specific designed filter since it had such unique flow/filter requirements compared to other hondas, hence the PCX filter was born.

The Honda S2000 filter is part # 15400-PCX-004. This filter is specifically designed for and only for the Honda S2000. It's specs meet those engineered by Honda.

The PCX filter is a COMPLETELY different filter from the old honda line PLM and P0H filters.

Where on earth did someone tell you there is no S2000 filter? lol

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lol....I don't think so. the current filter is new to Honda, smaller. they kept the older style, from last year and previous, for the S2000 as it uses thicker oil. so, yes, it might have been kept for the S2k needs...but it's not exclusive. or rather it is now, but wasn't previous to this year. this only comes from a 20+ year veteran with Honda parts

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you're arguing with a moderator of the Under the Hood forum on s2ki.com, not to mention I am an S2000-*****.

the OLD filter used from MY1999-MY2003 was the 15400-P0H-305. (this was also the filter used for the entire honda line up at the time) With the introduction of the PLM filter, the P0H was replaced with the PCX. The P0H can be used but only if the other filter was not available, but you would have to use extremely short drain intervals. This was also a general purpose filter for the Honda lineup. Halfway through MY2003, the new PCX filter was developed specifically for the S2000. This in part, was due to a banjo bolt recall which caused some scored #4 cylinders. Basically there wasn't enough oil pressure to properly ensure proper oil flow to the #4 cylinder (this cylinder is furthest from the pump). So in accordance with that, they also developed a new filter that would allow higher oil flow pressures, and better specs to match the S2000's oil flow needs. This is the current filter for the S2000, used and created since halfway through MY2003-current. While the P0H filter is still ok to use, it is suggest ONLY for short drain intervals. Otherwise the recommended is the PCX filter.

So whatever crack baby is telling you there is no S2000 filter, is just plain wrong. In fact, half the time the dealerships don't even REALIZE there is an oil filter just for the S2000.

Want more proof? Sure, no problem.

Old OEM universal filter = 15400-POH-305
Made by Filtech (For all Hondas)

New OEM universal filter = 15400-PLM-A01
Made by Fram (Replaces 15400-POH-305. Except NOT for use on the S2000)

New OEM "S2000 only" filter = 15400-PCX-004
Made by Toyo Roki (Same size as old, but different design)

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...post&p=2260721

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...post&p=3417626

http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/index....owtopic=191911

http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/index....owtopic=192750

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you're arguing with a moderator of the Under the Hood forum on s2ki.com, not to mention I am an S2000-*****.

the OLD filter used from MY1999-MY2003 was the 15400-P0H-305. The PLM was also used but only if the other filter was not available, or you went with extremely short drain intervals. This was also a general purpose filter for the Honda lineup. Halfway through MY2003, a new filter was developed specifically for the S2000. This in part, was due to a banjo bolt recall which caused some scored #4 cylinders. Basically there wasn't enough oil pressure to properly ensure proper oil flow to the #4 cylinder (this cylinder is furthest from the pump). So in accordance with that, they also developed a new filter that would allow higher oil flow pressures, and better specs to match the S2000's oil flow needs. This is the current filter for the S2000, used and created since halfway through MY2003-current. While the P0H filter is still ok to use, it is suggest ONLY for short drain intervals. Otherwise the recommended is the PCX filter.

So whatever crack baby is telling you there is no S2000 filter, is just plain wrong. In fact, half the time the dealerships don't even REALIZE there is an oil filter just for the S2000.

Want more proof? Sure, no problem.

Old OEM universal filter = 15400-POH-305
Made by Filtech (For all Hondas)

New OEM universal filter = 15400-PLM-A01
Made by Fram (Replaces 15400-POH-305. Except NOT for use on the S2000)

New OEM "S2000 only" filter = 15400-PCX-004
Made by Toyo Roki (Same size as old, but different design)

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...post&p=2260721

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...post&p=3417626

http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/index....owtopic=191911

http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/index....owtopic=192750
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lol....I don't think so. the current filter is new to Honda, smaller. they kept the older style, from last year and previous, for the S2000 as it uses thicker oil. so, yes, it might have been kept for the S2k needs...but it's not exclusive. or rather it is now, but wasn't previous to this year. this only comes from a 20+ year veteran with Honda parts
your "20 year veteran" is referring to the old P0H filter. this filter USED to be the general purpose filter used on ALL hondas including the S2000. however, as I already explained, with the introduction of the PLM filter, and the banjo bolt issue, the PCX filter was created in 2003.

While the PCX is the same PHYSICAL size of the P0H, it is NOT the same as the P0H. If you cut the two apart and check the specs, you'll see they are most certainly different filters.

I'm willing to bet your friend has no idea about any of this, and in fact, I wonder if he even realizes there is a PCX part # filter.
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You know....not only do I NOT use our Honda service department for anything, not even warranty work (I get the parts from them and install myself!), I should have known.....this is now the second time they messed up!

I have always thought: "if your in parts, you need to know...." way back when, I had a 91 Si. I called a parts dept. to see about...something. he askes me "so, is that an automatic or stick..." I hung up. if you don't know that the Si ONLY came in a 5 speed, you probably suck

anyway...thanks for the info....and on that subject. the oil pressure gain in the S2k filter, would it help, or can we benefit the Si in high boost or high perf apps?

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The S2000 filter is made for a different fitment and application. There have been posts on s2ki.com about civics/accords using the PCX filter, then suddenly having the seal leak oil, or other such things. for whatever reason, fitment, flow properties, etc, I would recommend AGAINST using this filter on anything other than an S2000. In fact, so does Honda.
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Uhh

OK..

So I am apparently a dumbass and am using an m1-104 oversize s2k ilter on my vic for the extra filter media..

is this not so good? I have heard conflicting opinions on this, and am wondering WTF is up. BITOG seems to say that it is OK to use the oversize, as do some on this forum.

s2000man, does the m1-104 have different bypass specs and filter media than the PCX filter, and therefore is no recommended for the s2k? would that make it OK to use in a civic? Or, is it spec'd to the NEW s2k specs and will it mess up my oil pressure?

hmm.. maybe we can get the thread back on topic :-) hope i don't start ANOTHER flamewar
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New OEM universal filter = 15400-PLM-A01
Made by Fram (Replaces 15400-POH-305. Except NOT for use on the S2000)

I have to correct you on this... The new OEM universal filter is 15400-PLM-A01 is NOT made by fram, it's made by Filtech. The A02 is made by Fram. I know this for a fact because it took me 2 weeks to find the A01 (Filtech) filter and 5 Honda dealers of searching. I'm 100% positive on this because I have 3 A01 (filtech) at home. That took forever to find since I didn't want the A02 (fram).
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