DIY: Grounding kit Install
07-17-2003
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Originally posted by sepudo
I'm going to get the materials this weekend and try it out. I'm going to set it up as a network (i.e neg to A, neg to b, neg to C...) since no one seems to have done it that way and yet the diagram posted earlier in this post suggests it. I'm pretty familiar with my car now so any difference from the wires should be noticeable. I'll post the pros/cons later in this same post.
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I'm going to use 4 g wire and go from Neg to: trans, firewall right strut tower, radiator wall, valve cover.
I'm going to get the materials this weekend and try it out. I'm going to set it up as a network (i.e neg to A, neg to b, neg to C...) since no one seems to have done it that way and yet the diagram posted earlier in this post suggests it. I'm pretty familiar with my car now so any difference from the wires should be noticeable. I'll post the pros/cons later in this same post.
FYI:
I'm going to use 4 g wire and go from Neg to: trans, firewall right strut tower, radiator wall, valve cover.
...... wassup alan ...... i forgot to show you huh?? 
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Rep Power: 0 hey Yulian,
no, you did show me, sort of. But I don't think yours is set up the way I'm gonna do it, network style. yours is more of a chain style. thanks again though.
hey maybe we can meet and you can help =]
jk I can manage
no, you did show me, sort of. But I don't think yours is set up the way I'm gonna do it, network style. yours is more of a chain style. thanks again though.
hey maybe we can meet and you can help =]
jk I can manage
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Rep Power: 0 battery to tranny (4G), battery to Driver side sturt (4G), battery to Valve cover (8G), tranny to firewall (4G) ............ i want to use all 4G wires but i run out of 4G wires, so i use 8G wires all left over from audio setup
for the radiator and stock ground i just leave it alone
sure ......... if you want me to help ........... when?
all left over from audio setupfor the radiator and stock ground i just leave it alone
sure ......... if you want me to help ........... when?
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Rep Power: 0 ah..i was shopping around but i couldnt find anywhere sells 4G wires..
actually there were some but they are in kit not just wires..and it was damn expensive..more than happies'
actually there were some but they are in kit not just wires..and it was damn expensive..more than happies'
07-18-2003
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by slamtank
ah..i was shopping around but i couldnt find anywhere sells 4G wires..
actually there were some but they are in kit not just wires..and it was damn expensive..more than happies'
ah..i was shopping around but i couldnt find anywhere sells 4G wires..
actually there were some but they are in kit not just wires..and it was damn expensive..more than happies'
07-21-2003
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Rep Power: 0 gearbox said autozon has 10 gold ring terminals for $10.00
and what i saw on ebay was 2 gold ring terminals $2.50 - 3.00
and i guess ebay usually has cheaper prices..is there any reason like gold quality or something?
and what i saw on ebay was 2 gold ring terminals $2.50 - 3.00
and i guess ebay usually has cheaper prices..is there any reason like gold quality or something?
07-21-2003
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Rep Power: 0 im going to have to belive opto_isolator about the hks grounding. because how would one long wire coming from the batery with a few point do anything. they have to be seperate like the hks one. thats what i plan on getting in a few days anyways.
07-21-2003
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Rep Power: 0 Both methods work. the daisy chain method is cheaper less wire used, but very effective still.
The HKS Hub style is more expensive, with more wires running around in your engine bay if you are grounding like 5 or 6 points.
The HKS Hub style is more expensive, with more wires running around in your engine bay if you are grounding like 5 or 6 points.
07-22-2003
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Rep Power: 0 here's my $.02. in a way, hks reduces resistance more than happies. why? because they are wired in parallel instead of serial. it gives current a better path to follow.
parallel: 1/r1 + 1/r2 + 1/rn = 1/r total
serial (daisy chain): r1 + r2 + rn = r total
who knows, maybe i'm wrong. maybe the difference is next to nothing.
parallel: 1/r1 + 1/r2 + 1/rn = 1/r total
serial (daisy chain): r1 + r2 + rn = r total
who knows, maybe i'm wrong.
maybe the difference is next to nothing.
07-22-2003
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Rep Power: 0 how do u think about this item(bottom - entire gold)?
its $16 at Circuit city and $3 on ebay.
a guy at circuit city said its good cuz its gold which conduct better and its reuseable since its bolt on type.
compare this one to another one..
which one do u think is better?
its $16 at Circuit city and $3 on ebay.
a guy at circuit city said its good cuz its gold which conduct better and its reuseable since its bolt on type.
compare this one to another one..
which one do u think is better?
07-22-2003
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Rep Power: 0 the bottom one 
BUT to expensive .............
but if its only $3 on ebay just get the bottom one ........... why do you want the re-useable one?
BUT to expensive ............. but if its only $3 on ebay just get the bottom one ........... why do you want the re-useable one?
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Rep Power: 0 i dont care about reuseable thing but the bottom one is thicker than upper one.. its about 7mm..if the bolt is short it would make problem but i think i will be okay cuz nobody will make it if its thickness cause any problem..
is it okay that the bottom one doesnt have rubber part? whole surface of that one is gonna conduct electricity..is that fine? when 2 or 3 of them overlap at negative terminal?
is it okay that the bottom one doesnt have rubber part? whole surface of that one is gonna conduct electricity..is that fine? when 2 or 3 of them overlap at negative terminal?
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You guys inspired me to do this mod and so I did. I felt a slight improvement but mainly in the speakers. All in all it was worth it.
$20.00 for 4 gauge wire from Ebay.
$5.00 for the ring terminals from Home Depot.
$6.00 for some Heat Shrinks from Home Depot.
TOTAL $31.00 *Not bad*
Here are some pictures:
INSTALL
$20.00 for 4 gauge wire from Ebay.
$5.00 for the ring terminals from Home Depot.
$6.00 for some Heat Shrinks from Home Depot.
TOTAL $31.00 *Not bad*
Here are some pictures:
INSTALL
07-27-2003
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Rep Power: 395 Looks good eni9ma! 
It's not as easy as that. I think it's easier to think of it this way... The negative battery terminal is essentially the ground for the car. A stock car has this terminal wired to the chassis. All of the electrical components in the car have to have a ground for them to work. They have to be wired to the negative battery terminal for them to work. A large copper wire might be a better conductor than the steel chassis. You'll have a better conduit for the electrons. They'll have a shorter path and less resistence.
That's why a parrallel network might be better than a series network. Then again, there's another issue here. A daisy chain is basically one cable in series with connecting points to the chassis. So... The electricity has a choice. It will take the path of least resistence. That might be directly through the chain of wire into the negative battery terminal, but it might also be through only some of the wire into the chassis and then through the chassis into the negative battery terminal. The problem is that we don't know which one is more optimal. That's why letting the electrons decide might be the best bet.
It's a complex issue, and I have no clue how multiple electrical components wanting the same circuit at the same time affect the whole system? ??? Using parrallel connections would theoretically get rid of this "issue", but we'de need to be sure that the cable is better for the electrons to flow through than the chassis is. If we knew that for sure, then we could be sure that the parrallel system (HKS style) was the optimum one.
Originally posted by jjj784
here's my $.02. in a way, hks reduces resistance more than happies. why? because they are wired in parallel instead of serial. it gives current a better path to follow.
parallel: 1/r1 + 1/r2 + 1/rn = 1/r total
serial (daisy chain): r1 + r2 + rn = r total
who knows, maybe i'm wrong. maybe the difference is next to nothing.
here's my $.02. in a way, hks reduces resistance more than happies. why? because they are wired in parallel instead of serial. it gives current a better path to follow.
parallel: 1/r1 + 1/r2 + 1/rn = 1/r total
serial (daisy chain): r1 + r2 + rn = r total
who knows, maybe i'm wrong.
maybe the difference is next to nothing. That's why a parrallel network might be better than a series network. Then again, there's another issue here. A daisy chain is basically one cable in series with connecting points to the chassis. So... The electricity has a choice. It will take the path of least resistence. That might be directly through the chain of wire into the negative battery terminal, but it might also be through only some of the wire into the chassis and then through the chassis into the negative battery terminal. The problem is that we don't know which one is more optimal. That's why letting the electrons decide might be the best bet.
It's a complex issue, and I have no clue how multiple electrical components wanting the same circuit at the same time affect the whole system? ??? Using parrallel connections would theoretically get rid of this "issue", but we'de need to be sure that the cable is better for the electrons to flow through than the chassis is. If we knew that for sure, then we could be sure that the parrallel system (HKS style) was the optimum one.
07-27-2003
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Rep Power: 351 Originally posted by gearbox
I tried upgrading the stock engine to radiator support wire and the car didn't like it. It wasn't as quick off the line. Strange. It seems like the car has good days and bad. Sometimes it will drive so much faster for no apparent reason. ..But that's an entirely different problem.
I tried upgrading the stock engine to radiator support wire and the car didn't like it. It wasn't as quick off the line. Strange. It seems like the car has good days and bad. Sometimes it will drive so much faster for no apparent reason. ..But that's an entirely different problem.
Its the weather, on a cool day my car drives awesome...i love cool days
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Rep Power: 351 Originally posted by slamtank
am i good to go with this?
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what about gold plated ring terminal?
i found some of them on ebay..they were about $2.50~3.50 per pair.
is that a good price?
am i good to go with this?
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what about gold plated ring terminal?
i found some of them on ebay..they were about $2.50~3.50 per pair.
is that a good price?
No Just cause its made by stinger doesn't mean its better...Go with the 0.99 cent 2058 OFC strand wire...Much better beacuse of the wire count. here is a link...check out his other auctions. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ory=32810&rd=1
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Rep Power: 351 Originally posted by slamtank
gearbox said autozon has 10 gold ring terminals for $10.00
and what i saw on ebay was 2 gold ring terminals $2.50 - 3.00
and i guess ebay usually has cheaper prices..is there any reason like gold quality or something?
gearbox said autozon has 10 gold ring terminals for $10.00
and what i saw on ebay was 2 gold ring terminals $2.50 - 3.00
and i guess ebay usually has cheaper prices..is there any reason like gold quality or something?
if you buy in more bulk its gonna be cheaper. Thats a decent price for those terminals....
Check out www.partsexpress.com but im still trying to find a cheaper place
07-27-2003
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by cdmx
if you buy in more bulk its gonna be cheaper. Thats a decent price for those terminals....
Check out www.partsexpress.com but im still trying to find a cheaper place
if you buy in more bulk its gonna be cheaper. Thats a decent price for those terminals....
Check out www.partsexpress.com but im still trying to find a cheaper place
www. part sex press .com
thats what i thought when i looked at it
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by cdmx
No Just cause its made by stinger doesn't mean its better...Go with the 0.99 cent 2058 OFC strand wire...Much better beacuse of the wire count. here is a link...check out his other auctions. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ory=32810&rd=1
No Just cause its made by stinger doesn't mean its better...Go with the 0.99 cent 2058 OFC strand wire...Much better beacuse of the wire count. here is a link...check out his other auctions. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ory=32810&rd=1
if theres any better thing even if its only look
i'd spend $0.23 more per foot
also, shipping is free on stinger one
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by eni9ma
You guys inspired me to do this mod and so I did. I felt a slight improvement but mainly in the speakers. All in all it was worth it.
$20.00 for 4 gauge wire from Ebay.
$5.00 for the ring terminals from Home Depot.
$6.00 for some Heat Shrinks from Home Depot.
TOTAL $31.00 *Not bad*
Here are some pictures:
INSTALL
You guys inspired me to do this mod and so I did. I felt a slight improvement but mainly in the speakers. All in all it was worth it.
$20.00 for 4 gauge wire from Ebay.
$5.00 for the ring terminals from Home Depot.
$6.00 for some Heat Shrinks from Home Depot.
TOTAL $31.00 *Not bad*
Here are some pictures:
INSTALL
is it a rubber thing that covers wire and terminal preventing short?
07-28-2003
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Rep Power: 351 I just figured out that happies kit is ALOT LESS HASTLE than what im going through now. The wire was cheap but finding gold ring terminals is hard...It comes out cheaper but its alot of hastle.
AUTOZONE DOES NOT CARRY GOLD RING TERMINALS atleast mine dont
pepboys does in quatity of 2 for about 5.99
circuity city charges 4.99 for 2
same for best buy
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and this guy at car audiomasters wanted like 30, 40 bucks for 20 pieces(im making 2 kits)
AND i was at home depot and lowes they only sell tin plated copper terminals which is not what we want. The gold ring terminals are much better.
SO the only place left is to buy online...i found some places but im waiting on them to email me.
SO far i spent $26.78 on 22 feet of 4 gauge 2058 strands of OFC wire.
Ive got all the tools so only thing left are the terminals.
I'll keep u guys posted on what i find (BUT I STILL SUGGEST TO GO WITH HAPPIES KIT.........I WISH I DID!)
AUTOZONE DOES NOT CARRY GOLD RING TERMINALS atleast mine dont
pepboys does in quatity of 2 for about 5.99
circuity city charges 4.99 for 2
same for best buy
Radioshack caries Sh|t
and this guy at car audiomasters wanted like 30, 40 bucks for 20 pieces(im making 2 kits)
AND i was at home depot and lowes they only sell tin plated copper terminals which is not what we want. The gold ring terminals are much better.
SO the only place left is to buy online...i found some places but im waiting on them to email me.
SO far i spent $26.78 on 22 feet of 4 gauge 2058 strands of OFC wire.
Ive got all the tools so only thing left are the terminals.
I'll keep u guys posted on what i find (BUT I STILL SUGGEST TO GO WITH HAPPIES KIT.........I WISH I DID!)
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Rep Power: 351 oh man i just bought 2 gold battery terminals, they cost me 30 bucks but i just couldn't pass it up. They accept 0/1 gauge, 1 4 gauge, and 2 8 gauge. woo im gonna have a pretty gounding kit.....(i saw these terminals for like 25-30 each at circuity city) I luv ebay
