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09-20-2004
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Sept. 18th BMWCCA Event Pics! NOT 56K FRIENDLY!!!
And now for the reason you DON'T want TOO much front Negative Camber...
Man I wish Robearracing.com had sent me the CORRECT camber kit the FIRST time....
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
How many miles were on those tires?
Well....let's see.
3 Events on my EM2
1 Week (while I had a flat) on the EM2 Daily driven (maybe 200 miles)
Then, 4 days daily driven on the EP3 (maybe 100 miles) while I tuned the suspension, then broke the rear sway endlink.
Then 1 Event on the EP3
So...maybe 400 MAX miles? (Taking into account that 1 event = 2x the miles of the course)
I guess I'll have to fork over another $160+ for 2 new tires....and TRY to get the RIGHT camber kit from Robearracing...THEN fork over the $150 for a GOOD alignment.
That's an expensive shipping mistake/poor choice on my part. 
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only 400 miles? then it couldnt be camber that caused it. Check your toe settings. Toe will eat tires MUCH faster then camber will.
Your probably running a bit of toe in, wich would account for the excessive tire wear and alot of the Understeer you were getting.
Your probably running a bit of toe in, wich would account for the excessive tire wear and alot of the Understeer you were getting.
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
only 400 miles? then it couldnt be camber that caused it. Check your toe settings. Toe will eat tires MUCH faster then camber will.
Your probably running a bit of toe in, wich would account for the excessive tire wear and alot of the Understeer you were getting.
Your probably running a bit of toe in, wich would account for the excessive tire wear and alot of the Understeer you were getting.
Yes and no.
Yes, it's prolly MORE the toe that ate them faster.
But it's not ALL toe, because obviously HALF THE TIRE IS GONE! lol
So, if it had 0 camber, then it would be just a toe problem, but with HALF THE TIRE GONE, it's an EXTREME camber...AND...toe problem.
DAMN IT ALL!!!
However...on the upside..I just found a guy here in town with an EP3, that has TWO (yes TWO) extra front camber kits that he's not using...different brands and different gen's.....so I'm gonna look into that, and MAYBE...just MAYBE...I'll get my **** straight so when I'm cruising along at 40 mph the looks I get are because my car is HOT....not because it's ANNOYING. lol
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Rep Power: 356 Toe in Typically eats the inside edge of tires, toe out eats the out side edge...
seriously, I've been runnign over -2 deg camber for the last few months, with minimal toe (Close to 0) and my tires, both my Street Allseasons and my race tires have little to no abnormal wear on them. and I've put several thousand miles on the car durring that time (Driving to San Diego and some road trips to no where...)
seriously, I've been runnign over -2 deg camber for the last few months, with minimal toe (Close to 0) and my tires, both my Street Allseasons and my race tires have little to no abnormal wear on them. and I've put several thousand miles on the car durring that time (Driving to San Diego and some road trips to no where...)
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Rep Power: 0 yeah, ive been running around -2 camber and show no uneven wear at all, around 2kmiles since i set that camber, but once i had major toe in and 50% of my tires are gone in 3 weeks daily driving
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Originally Posted by jiggerachi
Why does that tire on the right look about an inch taller?? Different size im guessing??
Actually I took the picture sideways, they're really stacked on top of one another....and consequently, they're not stacked evenly. They're all 205/50/15's...on Rota Slips.
But good point, I should fix that next time I take a pic. lol
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Originally Posted by Green Civic
DO both front tires have the bald spot?
Yup...
BOTH front tires have the bald spot.
BUT!!!
All is well now.
Alignment was set yesterday @ -1.58* up front on both sides, ZERO toe all around, and 0 camber in the rear.
All is well now, and hopefully I'll be able to get a few more events out of the bald tires by using them in the rear.
We'll see.But just in case, anyone know where to find two CHEAP Azenis? I've looked and called around, but they're on back order everywhere. 205/50/15
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almost allways has them, but the site says on backorder till Late Oct....
Just curious, what was your alignment set to Pre-adjustment...
almost allways has them, but the site says on backorder till Late Oct....
Just curious, what was your alignment set to Pre-adjustment...
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
http://www.vulcantire.com/azenis_t.htm
almost allways has them, but the site says on backorder till Late Oct....
Just curious, what was your alignment set to Pre-adjustment...
almost allways has them, but the site says on backorder till Late Oct....
Just curious, what was your alignment set to Pre-adjustment...
I spoke with the tech...who's a friggin' BADASS...and we measured the tred depth, and some other ****, and came to the conclusion that I was riding with about 3* toe out on both front tires ( \ / ), 5-6* neg. camber up front, and overall I had about 15% of the tires's contact patch touching the ground during straight line driving. ( ALL ON THE FRONT END) That's HORRIBLE.....
The rear end only had about 1* neg. camber..and MINIMAL toe issues.
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