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Yes, thats right. The United States of America will spend 16.7 billion dollars this year on a "war agianst drugs". A "crime which has no victim" this is just one of the many sick things that the government does with our money. Mean while the economy is going to hell. This is a story of a sick patient whos doctor was allowing him under state law to grow cannabis. Read this, I think you will be horrified as well. Mind you this is not an isolated incident, this sort of thing happens daily in the land of the free....
Currupt as it might be, i would rather live here that any other country. I saw a Russian COPS once... wow... they beat people, seriously beat them, and that was on COPS!
what we need is a war against the curruption...
FIGHT THE POWER!
The really sick part was they shot the dog 9 times. First of all 12 month year old dog, is still a puppy. Secondly, they shot at it 3 times, and then they chased it and shot it more.
Based on the article the police had total justification in this shooting. Heres why
During the raid, their 1-year-old shepherd-Akita mix, Little Bear, was shot at nine times and killed as he charged officers, police said.
The wounded dog ran into the kitchen, knocking over a trash can, before heading back toward a screen door near the officers, Filgo said.
At that point, police fired six more shots.
Police say they have a right to defend themselves.
"While executing the search warrant, they felt the dog was endangering their safety, and they have the right to defend themselves," Detective Bill Veteran said.
Total justification? I'm not sure the police had "total justification" in smashing the door in and charging into the house. It sounds to me like the police created a confrontational situation when it was not entirely necessary. And yes, confrontations, regardless of who starts them, WILL be won by the police. Another example of police arrogance IMO.
No sir, you are wrong. Though they had a warrant, had no reason to believe anyone in the house would be hostile, the fact that they shot the dog 9 times proves they used excessive force. IMO it would be pretty hard to convince a judge that it was necessary to shoot a dog 9 times, hell by the 6th shot it would already be a bloody corpse on the ground. It would have been one thing if they had subdue the dog, but they exceeded their boundaries. I think the really pathetic part is that Police actually believe themselvs a service to the community as aposed to a menice. Now I ask you, because of this raid, who is safer? If your claim is it kept drugs off the street thats irrelevant these people had a legal right to own these drugs. Also, if I wanted to I could go buy 10 lbs of Marijuana. But thats entirely besides the point that marijuana is the SAFEST street drug. The police could have avoided this entire incident by merly knocking on the door, informing the occupants they had a search warrant. Search the home and confiscate anything illegal. But no, they broke in shot a dog, took people to jail...while not even charging them with anything. Do we really feel that our 16 billion dollars is being well spent in this situation? I think what the government fails to realize is that even if they were capable of stopping 90% of the drug trade the "criminals" would still turn a heafty profit. As it is drug trade is a 66 billion dollar a year industry. Yet we still see stupid pigs, breaking into peoples houses with the intent to be "robocop super heros" and only end up hurting people. The real menice to society isent the drugs, its the government. In a consensual crime who is the victim? No one! A crime where the victim is also the criminal, its absurd. I think that we really need to stand back and realize that drugs need to be decriminalized. And we need to stop the robbers, and the traffic offenders, and the people driving under the influence on alcohol!!!!!
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Originally posted by injencivic Based on the article the police had total justification in this shooting. Heres why
During the raid, their 1-year-old shepherd-Akita mix, Little Bear, was shot at nine times and killed as he charged officers, police said.
The wounded dog ran into the kitchen, knocking over a trash can, before heading back toward a screen door near the officers, Filgo said.
At that point, police fired six more shots.
Police say they have a right to defend themselves.
"While executing the search warrant, they felt the dog was endangering their safety, and they have the right to defend themselves," Detective Bill Veteran said.
Its important to note that police officers while some are very nice people, are for the most part uneducated. So they are easily tricked, just fight them at their own game :-D. They do not have limitless power, while in certain situations they are allowed to use discretion. All you have to do is settle it in court, they will almost always lose if you provide a good case to the judge. :-D **** the police
Originally posted by Diemos Its important to note that police officers while some are very nice people, are for the most part uneducated. So they are easily tricked, just fight them at their own game :-D. They do not have limitless power, while in certain situations they are allowed to use discretion. All you have to do is settle it in court, they will almost always lose if you provide a good case to the judge. :-D **** the police
Firstly, education has nothing to do with being tricked.
Secondly, i'm not sure what you consider "uneducated" but street smarts and experience WILL win over book smarts almost all of the time.
Thirdly, a judge will invariably believe a police officers word over yours in a court of law. After all, the police officer has no real reason to fabricate a story while the defendent, on the other hand, does. Not to mention that the badge does give the officer more credence and respectability in the eyes of the justice system. Cliff Notes: Your unwitnessed word will NOT stand against an officers unwitnessed word in court.
Firstly, yes it does and besides the point that you are speaking your opinion not from experiance which is something I have. Secondly, uneducated cops are officers that think they can push people around and have no consequences. Thridly, a judge will not invariably believe a police officers word over yours if there is evidence to support your case. Which is actually the case in the scenario. Perhaps if you would review what little evidence there is to go on. Just the fact that the dog was shot 9 times is evidence enough to prove that the police were acting violently. Also note that they left some of the plants behind, if they were truely raiding them as aposed to just ****ing with people they would have confiscated everything. Also note that anytime they take someone to jail and dont charge you is because they didnt have enough evidence to file a charge agianst you. IN this scenario the police have lots of reasons to fabricate a scenario due to the fact they shot a dog excessively. How are they supposed to explain it when they pigs get out of control? Its obvious what happened here, any court would see straight through this bullshit. You can cut through the bullshit here with a knife. 9 times? Give me a break, these are trained policemen, and you are telling me they had to shoot a dog 9 times in order to subdue it? I think not. Damian2k1 before you respond to my posts perhaps you should read what they are about? And not coming in here stating facts that arent relevant to the case? Thank you :-D And god bless america
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Originally posted by Damian2k1 Firstly, education has nothing to do with being tricked.
Secondly, i'm not sure what you consider "uneducated" but street smarts and experience WILL win over book smarts almost all of the time.
Thirdly, a judge will invariably believe a police officers word over yours in a court of law. After all, the police officer has no real reason to fabricate a story while the defendent, on the other hand, does. Not to mention that the badge does give the officer more credence and respectability in the eyes of the justice system. Cliff Notes: Your unwitnessed word will NOT stand against an officers unwitnessed word in court.
Oh yes, btw. I have been involved in two different court cases. Both agianst me, and a police officer. Id like to note, both times my word was taken over the officers. Because the officer did not know the whole situation, which is also the case here. They acted in ingorance, and as a result innocent people/animals were harmed.
Originally posted by Diemos Its important to note that police officers while some are very nice people, are for the most part uneducated. So they are easily tricked, just fight them at their own game :-D. They do not have limitless power, while in certain situations they are allowed to use discretion. All you have to do is settle it in court, they will almost always lose if you provide a good case to the judge. :-D **** the police
i find that very offensive IMO about officers being uneduacted. some officers are dumb as rocks but, i have known some of the dumbest book smart officers in the world do the absolute best on the street and would rather be with those on the street then the book smart ones anyday cause they know how to handle themselves and talk to people and do the job CORRECT.
As far as you thinking that i am wrong about the officers being justified to shoot the dog. We never know whats going to happen in a situation thats why we have enough for anything to happen. Even though there might no be evidence of resistance there always is some type of it whether you believe that or not. Personally i dont see how you could understand what an officer does, you couldnt comprehend what we go through day to day.
I would like to see you be a police officer and perform his duties for a week and see how hard it is.
Injen
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