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Ive got the dezod kit and a built engine. Just blew the HG because I made a dumbass mistake and diddn't notice that the torque spec for the head studs was in Nm (in the honda manual).
The head comes off tomorrow. Im just hoping I diddn't screw anything up. If I did owell, live and learn.
If you aernt mechanically inclined then keep your car stock. If you can do work yourself or you have no problem spending TONS of money for someone else to do it then go ahead.
__________________ Me - 2001 K20A2 Civic & 2005 Acura RL
i'd rather swap to a k. so much easier and wayy faster.
its not faster...not on install or on power. i put my turbo kit in in a weekend and had it running by sun night. started on fri and ended on sun night. running and done. all that needed was a tune. ran for a month on no tune cause i didnt have the money to get it tunned. it was street tunned by me to 4psi. once i got money i had it tuned and it was much better at 11psi then the 4psi i had it at. but with my 4psi street tune i made 151WHP on the dyno with it.
This thread wasn't a way to deter people from going turbo! I wouldn't have it any other way. However... it's like a support group for us that choose to hate ourselves.
__________________ 7thGen.MT.C. Automotive Photography Guide BenArts
Formerly: D17A2 Turbo @ 9psi 193.96HP & 179.36 lb/ft
Currently: D17A2 Turbo @ 5psi Way too rich HP & Way too slow lb/ft
i not only break turbo parts i also break Honda parts regularly. if you think you can go FI and NOT have a problem your are an idiot... it can and will happen. but i love being boosted.
lets see it all started on this forum..
-i started off with a used SF kit, everything came with it minus a fuel system. I saved up, bought my fuel system (emanage, rsx-s injectors) through forums. Then spent a few months collecting parts i needed for the build on ebay (gauges, boost controller, turbo timer, pod, wideband, etc..)
-in order to run the EX setup, i had to convert my DX exhaust setup to an EX layout. I had to get a cat-back, a new front sway bar, and do some shit to my o2 sensors.
-Decided I wanted to run an external gate. Tossed the internal setup. Turns out my SF turbo uses a non-standard 5 bolt exhaust flange and I spent a month looking for someone that made one. I find out it uses a "mercedes style" flange. So finally I have the shit i need to make a downpipe.
-My manifold doesnt support the external gate. I sell it, buy a dezod EL manifold.
-Manifold is very pretty, but wont go in the car without hacking out a part of my radiator support and runner #4 rests on my upper coolant hose, melting it within 2 days of driving. Car overheats, I decide not to risk it. I have a custom thermostat housing made to route the upper hose away from the manifold.
-Finally it's all geared up and ready to go. I get my car tuned with boiler. I put down approx. 175 whp at .4 bar. I loved it, car ran great for a YEAR, yes, an entire YEAR!
-Turbo and oil pan develop serious leaks that i cant spot because they only happen under boost. I remove PCV system in favor of a catch can. Buy a new oil pan and have a new return port welded to it. Problem doesnt go away but slows down for a while. Turbo seals go because i didnt use a restrictor on my oil feed. AND my dezod EL manifold cracks on runner #1. AND my head gasket blows. I get a ton of bad shit at once.
-early summer i pull off my entire kit. I sell my boost controller and turbo timer, I give away my emanage in return for a shit ton of welding.
-Save up, I decided to go bigger the next go around. I did an EX head swap, hondata Kpro, stage 2 cam, springs/retainers, clutch/fly, brand new turbo, V-band exhaust and almost $500 worth in brand new OEM parts (mainly new gaskets for everything)
-Currently running my new setup and loving it. my car has never felt so solid. Im finishing up a return fuel conversion and fuel pump upgrade and im off to get it tuned. #'s coming soon.
overall, it's been expensive, ive lost count of how much money ive spent. probably in the 5-7k i think my base kit price was about 4500. and i easily dropped a good 2 g's in the new parts and kpro. made back some dollars in the parts i sold. The way i see it, it's still cheaper than a new car note, and when it's done, it'll be quick. No real regrets, just lots and lots of cussing, you can ask justin. I <3 boost.
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sig by speedfoos The DX resource site.
-2002 SSM EM2 - D17A1/A2 hybrid turbo(vtec, non-egr, steel oil pan, Hondata managed) 240 fwhp, 210 lb/ft tq @ 9.5 psi
-1991 MK3 Toyota Supra turbo (full cage, track setup) TBA
-2008 Honda NPS50 Ruckus - Stock 5 rwhp
Last edited by skipbarber; 09-10-2007 at 03:28 PM.
Re: Who's Turbo Sucks More? (Boost Anonymous Support Group)
Might as well put my gripes.. As Buds said, I had that kit before him.
-Took a week vacation from work to get this done and enjoy it, during installation, the alternator post broke off when trying to remove it, had to order a new one from autozone.
-spend 3 days troubleshooting a oil return leak (so I thought), only to find out that the damn camshaft seal wasn't seated right!
-oil return fitting always leaked.
-turbo housing bolts came loose, a few fell out god knows how long they were like that.
-wastegate and charge pipe made dents in my hood.
-never got the kit 100% nor did I get it tuned. I did street tune it but not knowing much about what I was doing, didnt help.
It was a serious learning curve and I am much more knowledgable about this stuff and I know what NOT to do next time.
Re: Who's Turbo Sucks More? (Boost Anonymous Support Group)
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Originally Posted by SuJaK.3
thread shouldn't deter people from boosting but noobs shouldn't boost. simple as that, boost can be so fun. gathering kit, installing, and actually driving it is a blast IMO.
oddly enough im agreeing with Sujak, but ive had ZERO problems with my engine. Tranny on the oter hand blew it up in 10,000 milesafter boost but i knew it was coming being auto trans.
__________________ 169.8whp / 154 ft lbs tq @ 7psi with an auto trans! Click Image for my turbo install!
Re: Who's Turbo Sucks More? (Boost Anonymous Support Group)
Totaly stock D17a2, Exeedy organic clutch and TSI kit. Upgrated fuel system. Daily driven 9psi, appx 23000 miles.
Only had instalation issues, just like with any other kit outthere. Cant remeber now, but for it took me ~50 hrs in total to put it in.
I'm no so much into electonics and tuting, so it took me few days of internet reading and hands on practice to get it runing right after fuel upgrade. (I started liking tuning afterwards)
As someone said before, all of it is just part of fun.
No mecanical problems, what so ever, only oil chages every 4000-5000 miles with mineral oil 5w20 Castrol GTX and Sunoco 94 octane gas.
I'm not shy to redline or downshift with vigorous punch.
I'm probably the only member who is happy with TSI kit.
Re: Who's Turbo Sucks More? (Boost Anonymous Support Group)
I made a homemade kit and my car ended up being down for like 2 weeks.
Some stuff happened but eventually it all worked out
Started up on first try and everything was running smooth
****Note**** Do not boost if you're running a 01-03 automatic, your tranny is gonna give on you soooo fast. plus, you only get an OK gain.
Not to mention, I never put on a turbo on myself, only had basic knowledge of what i was suppose to do. Now, i can say I put together a successful turbo