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A nice sized T25/T28 like TSI at a similar pice will matter.
^^^ this is yet another good point. Simplicity is key to this. A lot of us seem to be on the same page of a safe "ghettoturbo".
Paul I think you're going to get a lot of info out of the crowd of "normal" people wanting to do this, and I think its really going to help you out, so I commend you for asking this and opening up to suggestions.
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One thing that might help the total cost is the money on the fuel system. One reason that Stafford's kit sold well was because of a $150 fuel system. It wasn't the best setup by any means, but people ran fast with it. The dezod solution is e-manage and RSX injectors which could come out to much more than the SF kit. Is it better? Hell yes.
Same goes with the TSI fuel system. Another cheap, yet working, alternative.
Just an idea on how to get everything a little cheaper...
Both are mere Fuel Enrichment systems, not actual fuel systems like ours. It is a band aid for a mortal wound.
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^^^ this is yet another good point. Simplicity is key to this. A lot of us seem to be on the same page of a safe "ghettoturbo".
Paul I think you're going to get a lot of info out of the crowd of "normal" people wanting to do this, and I think its really going to help you out, so I commend you for asking this and opening up to suggestions.
Thanks boiler. I mean we have always kind of catered to this crowd from day one. We are looking to remain as 7thgen kings, and this how we had to break it down to get the feedback we wanted.
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I don't think you should scrap the current turbo kit for the new one. Your kit is awesome. The only reason I didn't buy it is because I went custom before you released it. Next Spring I plan on changing my current setup with your EL manifold and a T3/T4 turbo and hopefully your intake manifold if it ever comes out, which I hope it does. Anyway good luck with everything.
Keep your kit. Offer the ghetto version as an option. I love the fact that you offer the turbo,downpipe, and exhaust mani as a beginner kit. When I get some cash saved thats the first thing Ill get.
Another thing you could do is no intercooler. Offer a simple water/alcohol injection option.
I understand that you want to put out quality products but most people just see price and thats enough to change their minds.
Keep your quality kit, and give the fools the option to buy the inferior products from you. Cause we all know if you dont sell it someone else will.
I know your putting your name on this and it means it has to reflect you, but be reasonable. A kit that is maxed out at 7psi, offers fast spooling, and minimal fab will get way more interest. Once you get them hooked they can start upgrading the setup and they will come to you.
but he does have a point....a quick-spoolin kit that puts out approx 150 to the wheels for around 2k seems like a much more viable option than a kit costing 4 grand with which i may be tempted into doing serious damage to my motor....and if that isn't enough, there's always the ability to upgrade, and then im back to square one, sending you more of my hard-earned cashish, hooked on boost and i know of no facility to rehad that addiction...
i would still want the t3/t4 and an intercooler. i mean for 8 psi the intercooler should be small anyway, so a smaller one would make sense wouldn't it? i still think the EL manifold should be an option.
Im thinking a hks manifold could be bought more easily compared to the cost of fab/r&d of a custom log. But maybe im wrong. But I like the way you think!
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i think the problem is that they are paying so much for a turbo that wont be used to its full potential unless they pretty much double that cost for internals and what/not. you can get the same numbers on a stock motor with a t25 as you can with a t3/super 60 (on stock engine). the only difference is the t3 can go much further if you pocket is deep enough. also the t25 will spool up quicker to make daily driving more fun for everyone. i think that the t3 kit should either be a made to order special order kit and the t25 should be the base in stock kit. or just axe the t3 kit and let it be known you could get one if someone needs it.
and if you ever get an EL mani for a t25 let me know because if i can replace the cast tsi mani ive got with that ill be very interested.
It is just an "introductory turbo system". Basically something for people who are just starting out in the performance world, and people who simply dont have the cash to spend now, but can upgrade later.
Then you can have an intercooler upgrade kit, turbo upgrade, manifold upgrade, etc, etc, etc.
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