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Well i dont know everyone is talking about k20 being so much better than a d17. No one gives credit to the d17. the ex has a 127hp, but with an cold air intake and 3" with greddy evo II i have been able to beat a stock k20. if you turbo your d17 just tune it so it runs stronger and smoother. over time save money and do internals for more power and reliability. k20 is good but not that good. civics have only one good advantage and that is that they are light. about 2400lbs. dodge srt-4 always have something to prove but they weight 2970lbs. ok in power to weight ration which determins who is faster. 2400lbs / 200hp boosted civic equals to 12lbs per hp. vs. dodge srt-4 weights 2970lbs / 223hp equals to 13lbs per hp. which makes the civic faster. ahh good luck.
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Well i dont know everyone is talking about k20 being so much better than a d17. No one gives credit to the d17. the ex has a 127hp, but with an cold air intake and 3" with greddy evo II i have been able to beat a stock k20. if you turbo your d17 just tune it so it runs stronger and smoother. over time save money and do internals for more power and reliability. k20 is good but not that good. civics have only one good advantage and that is that they are light. about 2400lbs. dodge srt-4 always have something to prove but they weight 2970lbs. ok in power to weight ration which determins who is faster. 2400lbs / 200hp boosted civic equals to 12lbs per hp. vs. dodge srt-4 weights 2970lbs / 223hp equals to 13lbs per hp. which makes the civic faster. ahh good luck.
well you gotta remember this is a pros and cons of both.. not meant to be biased for one or the other.. with that said lets see....
anyways this thread is a comparison between a D17 and a K20 in the civic.. we are not comparing a civic to other cars.. that can be saved for another thread...
based on personal experience i could not even come close to beating a stock rsx at the speedway.. if i find the video i will show you my vision proof of it.. and my car had a milled head with thinner head gasket.. intake headers and full exhaust running a vafc2 and it still was a no getter...
my question to you is if you read the entire first post?. because in that post i do state that its all a matter of preference and so forth.. it comes down to what you want your starting point of horsepower to be and how far you wanna go... and how much money you wanna spend..
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Noob here, but not to modifying 4bangers. Neither option is cheap. There is alot to be said for reliability. First off, no hassles with tuning. The key to turbo performance(generally speaking) is a well designed kit, a matched turbo, larger exhaust, and excellent tuning. The tuning makes you or breaks you. The cost to tune correctly is the added expense necessary to dial durability/reliability.
Swapping NA motors is fine, but in this case, overly costly IMO. Why throw $5k+ on a swap that will not provide the torque of a turbo? Torque is king, and turbo is the only way to get the most. $ for $, the 1.7 turbo is a better bang for the buck. But, as stated earlier in this thread, once you get the taste of boost, you will want to turn it up, and more boost means more tuning, beefed up bottom end....more $$$.
The choice is yours of course. If you are wanting to kill everything on the road, then money is no object. If you want a fun ride into the 14's, the turbo will get you there. As far as cost, in the long run, you'll never stop spending if you want real power.
civics have only one good advantage and that is that they are light. about 2400lbs. dodge srt-4 always have something to prove but they weight 2970lbs. ok in power to weight ration which determins who is faster. 2400lbs / 200hp boosted civic equals to 12lbs per hp. vs. dodge srt-4 weights 2970lbs / 223hp equals to 13lbs per hp. which makes the civic faster. ahh good luck.
i believe our cars are 2600 lbs, but close enough.
I really shock to see the price of setting turbo in your country, as well as the K20 motor price
Here in my country setting the turbo for D17 wont cost you more than $1500 (A very good kit) and $1000 for the kit not so good but still not blow of your engine
The K20 Type R engine which has 220HP is cost $3000 - $3750 (not include installation cost) but overthere is ****ing expensive!!!!
Anyway this trend help me alot
Thank you all you guys
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both of you are right the dx is a little more then 2400lbs the LX is about 2500lbs and the EX is about 2600lbs (also Autos are more.)
My 4 door LX with a K20 swap and full interior, no spare, no CF hood, about 1/2 tank of gas, came in a 2465lbs
why would lx be havier than ex, because of the vtec head?? haha anyways, i think dx is a little lighter cuz it does not have power windows and mirrors. such stuff, but i dont think it would be that big of a difference but something in few pounds. the difference in dx,lx and ex is the engine head, and the trans. i think. correct me if i am wrong.
p.s. dont talk about automatic trans. we are only talking about manuals... thanks
ok so yeah ive read this whole thing and i would love to do a swap but my question is(cuz i live in cali) arent all swap illegal unless you bring it to the "referee"?.. dont get mad at me please cuz all i want to know is if its illegal in cali cuz i would love to do that but thats my prblem right now..
any info on this would help me out greatly.. again please dont get mad im just trying to get informed..thanks for any positive help
