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With boost and internal you may reach the 6-7 grand to put in a stock k20, so hmmmm. Let's see, even with my proper internals, and boost, I would pay the same as you and whoop your ass up and down the street, and I may even have enough left over for a 30 shot of Nitrous just to see you cry.
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this is my route for my CIVIC. keep in mind im most likely gonna have it FOREVER (its my first car!).
01 Ex auto
1. Turbo [if tranny blows, swap to manual]
2. If Turbo blows the motor swap to K series.
Im not looking to build a race car, But id actually prefere more torque and say 180hp then 200 hp and not as much torque. The added torque would make the civic much fun to drive daily.
LOL since the time i first made this post... i have done my research and i am in the process of doing a k20a2 swap.....
I was originally going to make a "frankenstein engine" = k24 motor with a k20a2 Head swap. Unfortuanetly this route will cost far to much because in order to properly do the head swap, you have to build your internals
SO
I have decided to get the k20a2...... price break down is as follows
1) K20a2 motor + tranny + ecu = $3000 canadian
2) RSX Subframe = couple hundred
3) hasport mounts = $700 canadian new or $400-500 canadian used
4) Complete oem rsx exhaust (header, down pipe, midpipe, cat) = $300 canadian
5) Install = $1000 canadian
There is still a few parts i need.... but i am still looking...... when its all said and done it will cost approx $6000-7000 canadian installed..... to run 200hp + 140tq
Am I the only one who noticed that this guy has a Civic LX? In other words, he has a D17A1 which is the non-VTEC version. I think it would be a complete waste of money to turbo this engine. The potential is not there, regardless if you build up the motor or not--the engine is a dog.
The K20A2 has a ton of potential, and as a couple other members have said, it responds very well to bolt-ons. The average whp is 175. An '02-04 K20A2 makes 200 hp at the fly. The rule of thumb is a 12-15% decrease in power at the wheels. On the ClubRSX forum, there is a thread where members have posted their dyno sheets. The majority of stock K20A2s are makin 175 whp (+/- 1-2 whp).
Bottom line is that the D17A1 engine is worthless. Dollar for dollar the D17A1 would never be able to reach the potential of the K20A2. Do the swap buddy!
^ catalyst has a d17a1 and made 300+ whp on his engine.
I don't think that is a big feat. You can make that kind of power on pretty much any engine if you are willing to put enough money into it. I can guarantee you that catalyst wasn't making 300+ whp on stock internals. No way are the stock internals on a D17A1 gonna handle that much power.
no disrespect to any1 but if u did the rsx swapp u should have just bought an rsx. cause this this is what this thread turned into "which is better rsx .vs. civic"IMO
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I'll agree with your there. People with D17A1/2 need to understand this so that they are not too disappointed when they don't make the kind of horsepower they are hoping for.
no disrespect to any1 but if u did the rsx swapp u should have just bought an rsx. cause this this is what this thread turned into "which is better rsx .vs. civic"IMO
Would have, could have, should have...
It is not that simple. Maybe, just maybe, people like myself like the look of the Civic better than the RSX. Your not going to get any better performance out of an RSX-S than a Civic with a K20A2. As a matter of fact, a Civic with a stock K20A2 will be faster than a stock RSX-S simply because of the weight difference.
"Civic with a stock K20A2 will be faster than a stock RSX-S simply because of the weight difference"
I thought about it and that may not be true... although our cars are lighter.... the k20a2 engine weighs more.... so i am thinking it will balance out... and the weight difference is insignificant
where can you get an exedy organic clutch for 220 shipped? ... link me plz
you can also say the same for your the swap ... $1000 off labor if you find some people who know how .... $4300. most people do not know how or are afraid of putting a clutch in and also installing a turbo kit.
if you take labor off of one, you can take labor off the other.
also, are you gonna put the new tires on yourself? ... must be some pretty crappy tires if both are going for 90 shipped
btw: have you dyno'ed your car yet? ... I wanna see how much power the tsi kit makes off stock boost ... which, according to you, is 6-7 psi
I got a hookup for less than that brand new from a vendor. I got buy one get one free tires for 120 for 2 mounted and balanced. They are Kumho Ecsta 711s (decent, not too crappy, ok grip in 1st) I got the clutch so cheap, cuz I bought the turbo from them, so it was a deal sort of thing they gave me.
I have spent probably 3500 give or take 100 so far on turbo kit w/fuel setup, clutch, motor mount bushings, tune, autometer gauges, pillar pod, greddy profec-b (100 bucks from a friend down the street ), and some more sh**.
It will be up to about 4500 to be reliable though, so I would say go the swap route. Less of a headache, its reliable, fast, 8000rpms, you can build it up, etc, etc . A turbo is a major headache, but very nice power and very enjoyable to drive (on cool days, not 110 in the summer )
Am I the only one who noticed that this guy has a Civic LX? In other words, he has a D17A1 which is the non-VTEC version. I think it would be a complete waste of money to turbo this engine. The potential is not there, regardless if you build up the motor or not--the engine is a dog.
The K20A2 has a ton of potential, and as a couple other members have said, it responds very well to bolt-ons. The average whp is 175. An '02-04 K20A2 makes 200 hp at the fly. The rule of thumb is a 12-15% decrease in power at the wheels. On the ClubRSX forum, there is a thread where members have posted their dyno sheets. The majority of stock K20A2s are makin 175 whp (+/- 1-2 whp).
Bottom line is that the D17A1 engine is worthless. Dollar for dollar the D17A1 would never be able to reach the potential of the K20A2. Do the swap buddy!
I would not say worthless. It isnt any worse than the EX, IMO. They are equally as fast from every race I have done. I have a turbo'd LX, and love it. It has Loooong gears, where the EX has shroter gears. Who really cares about economy vtec, it doesnt mean much. You all take it as its the bombest cuz of VTECH! my ass, my LX seems to make pretty nice power, and would probably kill anybody driving a stock rsx-s or civic swapped with the stock motor.
and dont say, well if you throw a turbo on the K20, than it will be fair race, blah blah. it always turns into that Ive noticed. Im talking stock k20s, as the same with me running 8psi. Good race, but the turbo would win, I would think. Ive raced rsx-s's in my car non turbod, and they were not but a car ahead of me. probably a crappy driver though.
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