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im untuned no boost controller hooked up so i dont know what psi im running no internal build with an auto tranny and i own rsx's all day long and of the one type s i have encounterd i took him to.
lissen you have a k20 swap good for you but unless you have boost on that thing i will own it on the track all day long. to many people are jumping on the swaped bandwagon lattly
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varies on driving habits and future use of the car.
turbo route: requires great tuning, stresses engine, gonna need better oils, fuel, etc from then on. good side is that you wont have to deal with swapping out the tranny, ecu, and everything else. your car will feel as if it were stock rather than worrying about using rsx parts in ur civic now and then.
swap route: much more potential than the d17, competes with the boosted d17 on its n/a route, can sell the d17 motor for few hundred to get you going, fewer miles (assuming it wasnt abused), etc etc
theres alot to think about. i say make a list of the pros n cons of the swap/turbo and see for yourself. think about what your use for the vehicle well be too. dont forget money costs
you dont need to swap trannys for turbo. cant think of name but there is an auto guy on here been running 6psi every day and 8 for track i belive for over 9 months now with no problems at all.
tranny cooler = and its only 50 bucks
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lets see pay 6-8 grand for a swap with around 180 for the k20a2 9rsx type s) or pay 4 grand for 240hp? im gona take the 4 grand way for more hp so that would be turbo. sure you will say just turbo the swap ok so add another 4 grand to that top end payment your looking at 12 grand + odds and ends that would make your civic 30 grand from what you payed for it if you have an ex and mods. now with that much power with the swap your looking at new axils ect ect so your looking at even more then 12 grand.
i know i would not put another 12+grand into my car i would put a down payment on a 5 series bmw but thats just me...
the truth is your are paying more in the long run for a swap plus if you dont mod that swap you will get owned all day long by turboed d17's
let's get some things straight ...
the average stock k20a2 dyno's around 165-170 whp ... if you add an intake and exhaust to that (exhaust is req'd ... intake = most people get), it'll be around 185 whp.
4 grand will NOT get you 240 whp with a turbo ... unless you're boosting at well over 10 psi, which is not reliable at ALL ... not to mention that you would need a new clutch to handle the extra torque, and a lot of people get a new lightened flywheel as well.
Turbo setup = $2500
Boost Controller = $100 ?
Clutch = $250
Flywheel = $250
Labor for all = $1000
Total = $4100
Now you've got a turbo setup good for about a safe 7-8 psi ... unless you get it dyno tuned. most turbo setups at 7-8 psi dyno right around 180 whp. So you're around the same whp as the K20a2 swap ... to make your turbo setup handle more power, you need to build up the internals and you've got yourself spending another few 1000 to run more boost.
k20a2 on the other hand will be much more reliable ... rev to 8000 (8600 with a reflash or k-pro) and you can tune it yourself or download an already-tuned program from different clubrsx members who already have theirs tuned (for your setup, of course).
Bottom Line: I have not seen ANY 1/4 mile slips of turbo'ed d17's that are in the 13's on street tires ... except for that guy that was running with 19's ... and he ran a 13.9 iirc.
I HAVE seen plenty of 13 second all-motor K20a2's on clubrsx ... and with a swap, our cars are already 200 pounds lighter than a stock RSX-S.
other then the fact that there is an auto guy on there before he sold that ran 14psi on his auto tranny and it was still even fine. auto in this case is stronger then manuel.
dont belive me? fine posting slips this summer as soon as i can
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screw the money which outs cooler. the beautiful sound of the turbo spooling and the BOV letting off, or the mean screaming sound of vtec kicking in, gotta think about that one.
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other then the fact that there is an auto guy on there before he sold that ran 14psi on his auto tranny and it was still even fine. auto in this case is stronger then manuel.
dont belive me? fine posting slips this summer as soon as i can
unless he's tuned, he's got to be an idiot running 14 psi on a stock block. even at that, his engine will not last long ...
also, what if you have a manual? ... it's not like everyone here has autos
yup ... post slips. I'll be posting slips too ...
what psi are you running right now? how much did YOUR setup cost?
You can get hooked up on turbo for way under 4100. Lets figure out what I'm paying installed:
Kit:2575 shipped give or take a few bucks
Clutch:220 shipped
New Tires:90 for 2 give or take 5 bucks
Labor:free (find people to help)
Total:2885 - WOW!
TSI kit comes with fuel system, injectors, FMU, everything to get ya going reliably at 6 or 7 psi. I am getting an Exedy Organic Clutch,a nd new tires since mine are bald. The kit comes with presets to put into their FMU for our car. So it will run reliably enough till I get over to the tuner (right away). Than you can get some methanol injection, thats a nice increase right there, some stronger internals, and a few thousand later you can have a nice D17.
lets say you have the swap money and deduct my stuff from that:
5300
2885
2415 is your total leftover. And dont say that a turbo would be slower than swap after 2400 invested into the motor.
You have to shop around. I think a swap could be done for way cheaper than that, though. Maybe a few thousand.
im untuned no boost controller hooked up so i dont know what psi im running no internal build with an auto tranny and i own rsx's all day long and of the one type s i have encounterd i took him to.
lissen you have a k20 swap good for you but unless you have boost on that thing i will own it on the track all day long. to many people are jumping on the swaped bandwagon lattly
And turbo charging a civic isnt part of any bandwagon? hahahah Wanna race
You can get hooked up on turbo for way under 4100. Lets figure out what I'm paying installed:
Kit:2575 shipped give or take a few bucks
Clutch:220 shipped
New Tires:90 for 2 give or take 5 bucks
Labor:free (find people to help)
Total:2885 - WOW!
TSI kit comes with fuel system, injectors, FMU, everything to get ya going reliably at 6 or 7 psi. I am getting an Exedy Organic Clutch,a nd new tires since mine are bald. The kit comes with presets to put into their FMU for our car. So it will run reliably enough till I get over to the tuner (right away). Than you can get some methanol injection, thats a nice increase right there, some stronger internals, and a few thousand later you can have a nice D17.
lets say you have the swap money and deduct my stuff from that:
5300
2885
2415 is your total leftover. And dont say that a turbo would be slower than swap after 2400 invested into the motor.
You have to shop around. I think a swap could be done for way cheaper than that, though. Maybe a few thousand.
where can you get an exedy organic clutch for 220 shipped? ... link me plz
you can also say the same for your the swap ... $1000 off labor if you find some people who know how .... $4300. most people do not know how or are afraid of putting a clutch in and also installing a turbo kit.
if you take labor off of one, you can take labor off the other.
also, are you gonna put the new tires on yourself? ... must be some pretty crappy tires if both are going for 90 shipped
btw: have you dyno'ed your car yet? ... I wanna see how much power the tsi kit makes off stock boost ... which, according to you, is 6-7 psi
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Last edited by aznboysrfr; 02-09-2005 at 06:32 PM.
Considering i'm in a very low income situation because of school... I would go with the Turbo D17... It yields substantial power for daily driving needs and for an occational track outing.
Considering i'm in a very low income situation because of school... I would go with the Turbo D17... It yields substantial power for daily driving needs and for an occational track outing.
Yeah, then I wouldint turbo, because in the long run it's going to cost you lots of $$$
K20EQUIPPED why in the long run is it going to cost that person more money he could get a tsi or whatever kit for 2,500 and be fine for years with that ooo and stick right with a rsx swap with no mods.
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and its only 50 bucks 
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