ex 5spd vs. rsx base 5spd

[civicvtec1ps]

i can tell you one thing.. d17 with basic I/H/E will not beat si. when both driver skills are same.

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[SwtnShyBoi29]

Haha... this thread is funny... I myself drive an auto RSX and this one incident with a manual 7th gen Civic happened on the freeway when he was tailgating my ass, so i downshifted and I lost him pretty badly cause I could barely see his headlights in my rearview mirror... Then i started slowin down and see if he would come and try to tailgate me again and he did, so once again, I downshifted and completely lost him in my rearview.... Sorry, but the RSX is still quicker than a Civic no matter what... even if the RSX is auto....

I/H/E adding 28 hp??? I give props man if i ever see that happenin...

[aznboysrfr]

ok, well after analyzing this, I've come up with a few things to say, playing Devil's advocate, of course:

swtnshyboi: do you really think the guy in the civic was "racing" you from behind? I don't see what the point of "downshifting to see if he can catch up" is a valid method of testing whether a 7th gen can "catch up" with you or not. In my humble opinion, I think you're an idiot because you could easily switch lanes if you didn't want the car following you rather than having something to prove to a 7th gen ( being that your exhaust tailpipe blows out more shit than his does)

to others:

a 7thgen civic will NOT beat an rsx base and will NOT beat an Si with i/h/e combo. Let us understand the fact that both these cars are DOHC and i-vtec. Let us also understand that our civics (yes I have an '02 ex vic) have less displacement, 33 less hp and less torque. A 7th gen MIGHT be able pull almost even with an Si from 0 to about 60 with i/h/e, but an Si will pull after that.

It is true that the Si hb's are slower than the coupes, but they are also still Si's. As far as I know, they run high-mid 15's in the 1/4 mile ... which is more than any civic can say ... even with i/h/e ... although some can vouch that their n/a vics can also pull high/mid 15's (which in this case, a modded si would run low 15's).

As far as the weight difference goes, it really doesn't matter. Supras are extremely heavy cars, yet still have about a 5 second 0-60 time, so acceleration really isn't a problem. A 150 pound weight difference isn't going to give us a 33 hp advantage.

As far as modding the 7th gen:

the best i/h/e combo (to my knowledge) would only yield about 18 hp...

hp header (high flow cat) ~ 7whp, k&n fipk/v2 ~ 6 whp, tanabe super r. medalion ~ 5 whp ... which gives 18whp ... on top of the 113 whp it already has ... so ... 131. This is still 10 or so whp less than either cars. Perhaps add the kms intake manifold, port/polish, vafc and we might yield about 140/145 whp. Ok, so in that case, we could potentially take a STOCK Si or base rsx. Ergo, the Vic would have basically the same HP, but with a cheaper car ... so we would spend less for the same power. However, the potential for our cars is lower ... because are cars are STILL SOHC ... and a lot of us have a dx/lx.

I end this note with a link to this site... www.car-videos.com

According to this site, it also notes how a base rsx (although it has the same motor) will beat an Si. With this this comparison

heh ... we can also see how the rsx type r fairs against a type s ... here

[rgGolf4]

It is true that the Si hb's are slower than the coupes, but they are also still Si's.

Hmmm, I don't think thats true. I'm sure they can beat a new SI, but I wouldn't say one is any faster than another. In this case, I think it is truly driver skill that would win the race. Both cars perform very similarly, although they have different rpm bands. The new Si would pull first, and the old Si would play some catch up with them ending pretty close together. I've seen 'em at the track and they are hitting about the same times as the '02, some higher, some lower.

I don't want to argue over which is faster, it would be never ending. But, some of you guys seem either really stupid or gullible. That is, how you say your econo-cars get 10hp from an intake and that other ignorant BS. And when you add all your mods up, its not a net hp from each mod. Those numbers the companies give you are based on a stock car receiving that mod and the increase "their" dyno calculated. When coupled with other mods, things can drastically change. For instance, Hondata. When it first came out for the K20A3, people with I/H/E found almost not gains...even a loss. But people with stock or just an intake were getting somewhere near 15-20whp increases. It all depends on how the mods work together.

This what I think, an intake may add 5 hp...couple with a header there would probably be no other gains...add an exhaust now you got maybe 12-15hp. Thats it. But it helps if you use Hondata, or for getting ready for FI or a swap.

People have done extensive dynos at ephatch, and have found what best works for our cars. And simple bolt ons don't add 30 hp, it just can't happen. And the relative inability to add hp to the D17 would show even less gains. All the money you waste on bolt-ons could have been spent on a faster car from the get go.

[n00dleboy]

Originally posted by bLu AzN XsTaCy
that's your opinion. i even question my spoiler b/c it's not jdm. however...my headlights are jdm, my rims, and my body kit is the most popular in japan. so just b/c one thing may be questionable doesn't make a car rice. do you even have a cl type-s?

Yes, why don't you come find me on Acura-cl.com or Acuraworld.com or phone
Burrard Accura in Vancouver and find the Sales guy Robert Fan and ask if he
sold a TL and CL-S on Wednesday June 11th 2003. To each his own on modding,
just found it ironic with your sig + a FWD + big rear spoiler.

[DC5-S]

LOL this thread is too funnny..

whats up with the civic ex crowd acting like their cars were meant for performance?? i dont get it.. don't you guys know your civic ex is a grocery getter designed for fuel economy?? hahha

as far as ex vs base rsx.. the base 5 speed rsx is not a weakling.. it pulls just as hard as my type-s under 5k rpm.. and it gets maximum torque before my type-s .. i know cuz ive driven my friend's base 5 speed rsx many times..

i just find it funny how many ex owners act like they bought a performance machine.. when in reality they're just in self denial that they bought a econobox grocery getter with little potential.. say compared to the SI/base rsx engine..

[j00r4gh3y]

Originally posted by vincenzobar
I said FLYWHEEL... DAmn dude calm down and read the posts. stop jumping to conclusions so much!!!!

look dude i have been more than reasonable with my assumptions and very calm about it. I have specified time in and time out that i have researched these no.s and that i admit it wasn't a D17. it was a H22 in a lude. Now think in Fly Wheel Horse power (spelled out so there is no mistaking what i am talking about)...

AEM CAI 10 -ISH
DC Header 0-1hp
Thermal R&D 10-ISH
VAFC Damn if you could only feel it - 25-ISH
CAMSHAFT Stage 2 lots more gain to play it safe say 15-ISH
GEAR to adjust timing and all to help get these no.s

so on a properly tuned VAFC with these mods we are looking at about 50 to 70 more hp + 127 hp equals 177 to 197 TO THE FLYWHEEL HORSE POWER.

OF COURSE THIS IS ALL ASSUMPTIONS UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE!!!! I am going to lean more towards 177 though, becuase are engines suck. but hell thats half the fun.

could someone please explain to me how an air fuel controller adds 25 hp? im lost on that one. i mean maybe i could see leaning out the engine and forcing the ecm to dump in more fuel to keep balance or something like that.

[aznboysrfr]

Originally posted by rgGolf4
Hmmm, I don't think thats true. The new Si would pull first, and the old Si would play some catch up with them ending pretty close together. I've seen 'em at the track and they are hitting about the same times as the '02, some higher, some lower.

Sorry guy ... the new Si's ARE slower than the coupes. I'm sure that what you have seen on the track was a modded 7th gen Si ... because nobody takes their stock car to the track. However, stock vs. stock, 99-00 is faster. www.car-videos.com www.edmunds.com www.yahoo.com

look up both Si's stock 0-60 times ... I don't know you say that a new Si would pull first... but thx 4 tip

[S2000man01]

Originally posted by DC5-S
LOL this thread is too funnny..

whats up with the civic ex crowd acting like their cars were meant for performance?? i dont get it.. don't you guys know your civic ex is a grocery getter designed for fuel economy?? hahha

right, because a base RSX isn't a grocery getter. lease:

this thread is more than done, and yes, deal with the fact a 5spd civic can beat a base auto RSX