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Like I siad it was one of those Tesla G-Tech things, I wouldn't trust it's timing. I do believe I mentioned gearing in my post, right? If you really want to talk about gearing, what will give you better gearing on the tire (becasue that count to, right? Which is better: a 13 inch rim where the tire is about 22 inchs or a 15 inch rim the tire diameter is 24.5 inchs? For once, smaller is better.
And you don't think 350 lb's makes difference? There is a rule of thumb when racing old muscle cars (and yes I know civic's aren't muscle cars, but the theory is the same) 300 lb's = 1 second in the quarter mile, point is 350 lbs is a huge wieght advantage.
If oyu don't believe me, fine. It's not like either of these cars is setting world paces here
the tiring would make a difference, but the gearin in a 7th gen ex is far more agressive than a 94 dx.
lol 300 pounds does not take a second off your 1/4 mile. at best you'll get about .2-.3 seconds off your 1/4 mile by reducing 300 pounds.
bottom line is you can look at the number obtained by the better/best drivers. a 7th gen ex can hit high 15's stock, where a 94 dx cannot.
granted the cars are similarly close, but there is definitely an advantage due to gearing mostly, with the 7th gen civic. you can even see in the video i posted. he beat me off the line and the launch, but i reeled him in and passed him pretty good with 3rd gear.
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Yes I did. Think about it, the DX has:
350lb's lighter
no power loss to A/C or P/S
only 22 hp less, but better gearing and smaller tires
'03 EX has:
350 lb's more
A/C and power steering loss
2 cats
22 hp more, but 3 inch bigger tires (heavier) and taller gearing
of course, I didn't bother taking a '94 civic DX stock to the track, so all I have is one those stupid G-tech things that say the DX was 0.2 seconds quicker at 16.2 and the EX was at 16.4, but my butt dyno is in agreement.
Final conclusion: both cars are still slow.
Speak for yourself
My car aint slow and my car is definately faster than any old as* stock 94 DX. BTW Older cars lost a lot more HP to the the Wheel than newer cars do.
Gearing isn't only the final drive ratio buddy. Newer ACs don't work like older ACs there much more efficient.
Cars are heavier no doubt(CD player Heated mirrors, moonrooof....), but car manufacturers compensate with technology. Put the D17A2 in an old hatch it will be a pocket rocket no doubt.
yeah but if ur talkin vics, then 300lbs isnt gonna be near 1 second
Yeah, but you get the point that 350 lb's is a lot when it comes to racing and any sort of performance if the engines are in the same nieghboor hood of power production.
Yeah, but you get the point that 350 lb's is a lot when it comes to racing and any sort of performance if the engines are in the same nieghboor hood of power production.
If your racing you can easily strip the same luxuries of the coupe that the older car doesn't come with and the weights wont be too diff. Now the 7th gen will have an independent multi link rear suspension. keep the 127 hp engine. remove the electric locks, sunroof, and AC. You my friend have a light car.
My car aint slow and my car is definately faster than any old as* stock 94 DX. BTW Older cars lost a lot more HP to the the Wheel than newer cars do.
Gearing isn't only the final drive ratio buddy. Newer ACs don't work like older ACs there much more efficient.
Cars are heavier no doubt(CD player Heated mirrors, moonrooof....), but car manufacturers compensate with technology. Put the D17A2 in an old hatch it will be a pocket rocket no doubt.
Slow is relative. to me 15.6 is slow. 13's is quick and 10's are fast. And I am only talking about stock civic's here. Yes I know the final drive ratio isn't the only thing involed in gearing, but tire diameter is all I have to work off unless I want to really dig for the actuall gears, and to me, this arguement isn't that important, mainly becasue I don't own either of those cars anymore. (what civic did you have that heated mirrors? my Accord EX doesn't even have that! I miss heated mirrors in Ohio...)
All right I'll say this once more, please listen clearly. I never took either of these cars to the 1/4 mile track in stock form. Reason: I don't really care to waste money on running a stock civic when many people before me have done it. I am speaking only from the acuarcy of my rear end dyno and a Tusla thingy that I reall don't trust nearly as much as my own sences. But, I admit my butt dyno is in need of some calibration. I THINK (IN MY OPINION) the '94 DX is equal or a hair faster than my '03 EX. If you think otherwise, good for you, we all have opinions. Personally, I could make a Camaro faster with alot less money, if all I wanted to do was go striaght. But I don't, I like to have the ability to turn, and it takes lots of money to make a Camaro turn like a Civic. So in the end we all have our own opinions.
But seriously speaking if you haven't raced the cars and don't have actual 1/4 miles times, there is no way you can feel one car is faster by .2 seconds. . Anyhow I can go on but........you get the picture. Maybe your 94 dx is noisier and more nervous so it feels faster.
If you sit in an 00 si, the darn thing is ridiculous noisy and nervous and gives you that good adrenaline feeling. In terms of feeling 6th gen si > 7th gen si.
If your racing you can easily strip the same luxuries of the coupe that the older car doesn't come with and the weights wont be too diff. Now the 7th gen will have an independent multi link rear suspension. keep the 127 hp engine. remove the electric locks, sunroof, and AC. You my friend have a light car.
Yes you do, and in that case I would certianly give it to the EX that was stripped.
Slow is relative. to me 15.6 is slow. 13's is quick and 10's are fast. And I am only talking about stock civic's here. Yes I know the final drive ratio isn't the only thing involed in gearing, but tire diameter is all I have to work off unless I want to really dig for the actuall gears, and to me, this arguement isn't that important, mainly becasue I don't own either of those cars anymore. (what civic did you have that heated mirrors? my Accord EX doesn't even have that! I miss heated mirrors in Ohio...)
All right I'll say this once more, please listen clearly. I never took either of these cars to the 1/4 mile track in stock form. Reason: I don't really care to waste money on running a stock civic when many people before me have done it. I am speaking only from the acuarcy of my rear end dyno and a Tusla thingy that I reall don't trust nearly as much as my own sences. But, I admit my butt dyno is in need of some calibration. I THINK (IN MY OPINION) the '94 DX is equal or a hair faster than my '03 EX. If you think otherwise, good for you, we all have opinions. Personally, I could make a Camaro faster with alot less money, if all I wanted to do was go striaght. But I don't, I like to have the ability to turn, and it takes lots of money to make a Camaro turn like a Civic. So in the end we all have our own opinions.
13 seconds is just quick. dayum(you must fly fighter jets or something for a living)! So I guess Ferraris from a few years ago, STI, are just quick. Anyhow if there quick then my civic is pretty slow.
you're right. everyone who has ever ran the 1/4 mile and posted 100+ timeslips on ephatch.com can't drive, because they can't get the 7th gen Si better than a 15.7 in the 1/4 mile sotck. but you are able to magically get it to be as fast as a 6th gen Si that can run 15.3.
Did I ever say I could run a 15.3? No...I said I stayed dead even with a 01 si with intake which I'm sure doesn't run 15.3.... And there's no possible way that I could run with a 05 si with i./h/e All I'm tellin you is what I know and have seen u can think whatever u want but if someone can tell me how to hosta vid then ill show u
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13 seconds is just quick. daym. So I guess Ferraris from a few years ago, STI, are just quick. But like you said its everyone has there own opinion have you driven a 10 second car?
Yes, a '70 chevelle SS with a fuel inject 502 with a supercharger. Scared the crap out me to.
if you full throttle will car just twist and go sideways?
There was frame supports on it. If you went full throttle from the line, you would just spin the rear tires. You had to go about half throttle then slowly go to full throtle to the end of the gear, then switch gears and go about 3/4 throtle and so on. Note: I never got the car to run 10 seconds, I can't handle that much power, but the guy that built it(Don Garlits) did, he gave me ride with what he called a good ten second run. But he's ran the quarter in 7 seconds, so he knows how to drive fast .
. Anyhow I can go on but........you get the picture. Maybe your 94 dx is noisier and more nervous so it feels faster. 
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