[D5cIvIc]

Originally Posted by 01_EM2

i hope you guys finish this and slap everyone in the face for saying its worthless to build a d17 ive wanted to tackle this type of build for a while but everyone says go boost or kswap. as much as k swaps have gone down in price lets say you do find a k swap for 3gs or even 2500. add another g for mounts thats 3500 then another 1000 for k-pro thats back to 4500 buks. thats if you get the axles with the swap. plus custom exhaust. so you end up paying 5gs lets say into a swap. you can dump that money into a na build and probly have some left over. we wouldnt need custom mounts that cost 1g. so thats saves money right there. we would need kpro so theres no getting around that. thats 4gs left to buy all other stuff for an na build and i dont think your gonna use all that much but i could be wrong. i mean dont get me wrong i want a k someday but its way to expensive. the only expensive things i see in building a d127 would be is the kpro and custom pistons. other than that idk maybe the crower cam to but not so much. some one will correct me im sure and put me on blast for my comment but oh well its all good just stating my feelings. but i cant wait to see numbers on this na build keep up the good work

The money that you pour into a full d17 build will be a lot more than that my friend. A LOT MORE.

What are you talking about custom mounts for a k motor????? mounts have been released for the k motor for quite a while now. They cost roughly 500 bucks brand new and i got mine for 250 shipped used.

also, you DO NOT need kpro to run a k series. You can just run the stock ECU that came with whatever motor that you got. Kpro is only used if you want to be able to tune your car. the only time that it's completely necessary is when you're doing a frank build with a k24 block and a k20 head.

It's all about shopping around and finding the right deals. A guy on this forum fully built his frank for 5g's and he's putting down 279hp and 222tq. That's him being very good at finding parts and putting it together himself.

[D5cIvIc]

Originally Posted by bomerman19

as of about 2 hours ago i am know scheduled for new dyno tune december 2 so I will hopefully see how much I am now making N/A

definitely keep us posted on your numbers, i'm quite interested to see what you're putting down on the D17...

[m3gach33zy]

Well this sounds like it will be an interesting for you TRIZ. I think I might have to go the NA route too. Sounds like its more for me than swapping or going turbo. I suppose I'll have to do my fair share of reading to try to figure out how to do this.

[TRIZ]

^ No need, I'll figure out the winnin combo for you, lol.

Shoot... civic-driver, do you remember that page where that guy at the honda dealership pulled all the different D series pistons off the shelf and measured them? I'm trying to find that site, and have had the damndest time for the past hour and a half, I've given up on looking for it.

Originally Posted by 01HonderCivic

Are you out in Beaverton? There's one that I pass everyday on McLoughlin to get to work...

Really, I didnt see it pop up on the last of stations I came across. Whats the address?

[m3gach33zy]

haha i'm sure you can get me the right combination.. I just need to read up on what all the things do and where they go just for fun

[speedfoos]

I've seen Paul's (bomerman19) car in person and it's fast for an NA car, faster than a stock k is my estimation as well. He's getting dyno'd on 2 Dec to get his actual numbers up at Jeff's. Don't hate.

[01_EM2]

Originally Posted by D5cIvIc

The money that you pour into a full d17 build will be a lot more than that my friend. A LOT MORE.

What are you talking about custom mounts for a k motor????? mounts have been released for the k motor for quite a while now. They cost roughly 500 bucks brand new and i got mine for 250 shipped used.

also, you DO NOT need kpro to run a k series. You can just run the stock ECU that came with whatever motor that you got. Kpro is only used if you want to be able to tune your car. the only time that it's completely necessary is when you're doing a frank build with a k24 block and a k20 head.

It's all about shopping around and finding the right deals. A guy on this forum fully built his frank for 5g's and he's putting down 279hp and 222tq. That's him being very good at finding parts and putting it together himself.

exactly those are custom mounts if it aint stock then its aftermarket i.e. custom im new but not stupid obviously hasport has mounts and you still have to pay for mounts. and as for the k-pro i do see it as a must. why would you go and spend all that money into a swap and not have the car tuned. all your doing is keeping it back from its full potential. im NOT against k-swaps at all like i said i would want one in the future my cuzin has a 92 civic eg hatch with a k20a2 swap and its running 13s and its completely stock besides the k-pro and custom exhaust. so yeah obviously the k motor has more potential..... but all i hear on this site and like 3 other sites is how the d17 is worthless and a piece of shit and your fucking stupid if you try to go n/a.... well this man has takin on that challenge to prove all the d17 haters wrong... as for the car being faster than a k. im pretty sure its faster than an a3 which is an ep3 or base rsx rated at 160bhp just like a b16 out of an 2000 SI but who knows maybe its even faster than that.... i wouldnt doubt it if other members say the same so i would like to see the turn out on this.

[jason.az1]

Originally Posted by 01_EM2

exactly those are custom mounts if it aint stock then its aftermarket i.e. custom im new but not stupid obviously hasport has mounts and you still have to pay for mounts. and as for the k-pro i do see it as a must. why would you go and spend all that money into a swap and not have the car tuned. all your doing is keeping it back from its full potential. im NOT against k-swaps at all like i said i would want one in the future my cuzin has a 92 civic eg hatch with a k20a2 swap and its running 13s and its completely stock besides the k-pro and custom exhaust. so yeah obviously the k motor has more potential..... but all i hear on this site and like 3 other sites is how the d17 is worthless and a piece of shit and your fucking stupid if you try to go n/a.... well this man has takin on that challenge to prove all the d17 haters wrong... as for the car being faster than a k. im pretty sure its faster than an a3 which is an ep3 or base rsx rated at 160bhp just like a b16 out of an 2000 SI but who knows maybe its even faster than that.... i wouldnt doubt it if other members say the same so i would like to see the turn out on this.

yes not stock but ohwells hasport are way better mounts then stock,
Kpro isnt a must and even if you swap a a3 into a em2 and run stock ecu it will be fast and cheap

Im all for NA d17 buts its $$$

-AEM Tru-Time Cam Gear-Civic 01-05 D17
$151.00
-Crower Stage 3 N/A Full Drag Race Camshaft-Civic 01-05 EX
$385.00
-Crower Valve Train Upgrade-Civic 01-05 EX (Used with stages 2 & 3 Crower Cams)
$330.00
-A'PEXi World Sport 2 Exhaust-Civic 01-05 EX 2DR
$435.00
-Dezod Motorsports Walbro 255lph In-tank Fuel Pump Upgrade (install kit included)-Civic 01-05
$105.00
-srt4 injectors
100 bucks maybe more or less
-ARP Head Stud Kit-Honda D16Z 88-95/ D17 01-05 (12-Point Nuts)
$132.00
-Head Gaskets/ all other lil gaskets
150
Megan Racing Shorty 4-1 Header-Civic 01-05 EX
$129.00
Megan Racing High Flow Test Pipe Pipe-Civic 01-05 EX
$95.50
AEM Cold Air Intake-Civic EX 01-05 M/T
$275.00


thats cam,valvetrain,camgear,I/H/E, and fuel upgrade for over 2k
add kpro little over 3k now add tune thats pushing 4k
thats also doing all your own work
you would be 150++ whp for close to if not over 4k

also my price was from dezod which is over priced


I would love to see a fully built d17 NA
because everyone hates on it and no one has done it
im curious to see what power it puts out.
I rode in a stage 2 cam d17 yesterday and it was fun.

[TRIZ]

^ You dont have Kpro on your list, or the cost of a tune.

And as with most ppl, intake and exhaust is already done. Krpo comes with a cam gear. And I wouldnt want to see anyone running a megan header and test pipe on an NA setup- its just some shiny ebay crap, you need a 4-2-1 race header to throw gains down.

The fuel pump and injectors are also needless at this point. I'm sure the stock fuel system will be fine, the injectors might max out, but from what I've seen they can still be run. If when I'm tuning I realize that they are close to maxing and the fuel pump is about to take a dive, then I'll upgrade them, but I'm not a fan of droppin money where it doesnt need to be dropped. I picked up all my gaskets a long time ago, I dont think they came out to 150 tho.

All in all though, if you start stock, then yeah- you'll need the exhaust and inake and all that. But from the point of someone who's already gota few mods on their car, a NA build isnt crazy expensive... just depends on how far you'r willing to take it.



There is also the question of an intake manifold. JDM fabtech makes some crazy manifolds, but you wont be needing that if your running ITB... I dont know what I'll do- I probably wont worry about it till much further down the road. It would be easy to make ITB's, but I'm worried about the tuning and effiency of them, which is where all the power is made- They could give you crazy gains, or they could totally kill your goals.

[m3gach33zy]

yeah I found a few prices you could drop too. Like a CAI isn't that expensive anymore. You can probably find a SRI for cheaper on the for sale part of the site. Exhaust you can always custom make your own so you dont have to pay 500 for bent metal tubes. I'm tryin to see if I can get the tools and materials to make my own for like half the price or less.

What do you think about buying some of these parts from ebay? As long as they aren't ebay branded lol

[TRIZ]

There is a lot of reputable sellers on ebay, who sell the same products that import shops sell, if its cheaper- buy it. Just dont go looking for a header and head to ebay and pick out the cheapest shiny thing.

As for making your own exahust, you need a pipe bender and a way to cut pipe, and a welder. If you got that, then your golden for making your own exhaust. I want to take a welding class at portland community college.

[D17alltheway]

WOW... i wanna see how this turns out... and all the K-swappers go to hell..jk

[01_EM2]

I really gotta agree with triz.... a lot of the prices are a dat bit high. Hell I already got a guy that owns a muffler shop/wheel tire shop that will do the pipeing for my exhaust and install for 75 buks.... and like triz said most ppl already have the whole i/H/E cuz that's the first thing most ppl do. And with those prices you have and if we already have it in the car we saved our selves close to or if not more than 1g......

[7thgenMugen]

Same here on the muffler shop, I bought an axel back insanely cheap and the exhaust shop made it cat-back and installed it for less than 80. Also kudos to all those who defy the norm. I'm doing an N/A build myself and am about as far along as TRIZ. If anyone is seriously interested in headers plz talk to JDM Fabtech. I'm currently on the waiting list for one but he needs enough people interested in it to start really researching and building prototypes.

[01_EM2]

^^^^props