Getting back at that NA build, BUILD ON HOLD - Page 2

speedfoos · 11-19-2008

Better is a relative statement. It costs a ton more to build a powerful NA 4-cylinder motor than it does a powerful F/I motor.

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D5cIvIc · 11-19-2008

i say swap a K in there and you'll start off with more power than what you'll get out of an NA build.

sicma99ot · 11-19-2008

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Originally Posted by TRIZ

Whats the stats with yours... did you give up?

no mine is still on. just have to wait till tax time to get my bike before i can get it all in there. also i have to do a tranny swap before i get my kpro.

bomerman19 · 11-19-2008

my car is faster than a stock K-series.

and here is the problem with the k series you buy one you stick it in you blow it up it's going to cost at least $3000 if not $5000 to get another motor

I blow up my d17 I pick another one up for $150

hmmmm $5000 vs. $150 lol

but clint is right the way to go is turbo if money is the problem. I might do it someday but I have to finish My NA build

and like clint said getting the stock rods shot peened is a pretty sweet idea. I think its some were between 15-25 dollars a rod at my local machine shop. but the stock rods are pretty strong I managed to destroy the whole bottom end of my engine did not bend warp or flex a single rod.

TRIZ · 11-19-2008

I checked out the E85 stations around my area- there really arent any. The closest one is about 40 mins on the highway away if I have no traffic, which is super unlikely. So I'm outta luck if I wanted to run strictly E85 unless some stations pop up on my side of town. I need to check more out on rods and pistons, the shot peening is a good idea. If the maxilight rods are infact lighter than stock, then shot peening them sounds like a winning combo for rods. Need to research more tonight- full day of classes.

jamis33 · 11-19-2008

wow this is some crazy stuff. im thinkin all those people who doubted the d17 as being a strong engine were wrong. Ive been really considering doing something for more power and na may be it. Although kswaps are getting cheaper. I can pick one up for around 3 here thats complete and they're only gettin cheaper. BUT thats still a lot compared to being able to buy a d17 with 50xxxkms (about 30xxxmiles) for like $400 with a tranny

01_EM2 · 11-19-2008

i hope you guys finish this and slap everyone in the face for saying its worthless to build a d17 ive wanted to tackle this type of build for a while but everyone says go boost or kswap. as much as k swaps have gone down in price lets say you do find a k swap for 3gs or even 2500. add another g for mounts thats 3500 then another 1000 for k-pro thats back to 4500 buks. thats if you get the axles with the swap. plus custom exhaust. so you end up paying 5gs lets say into a swap. you can dump that money into a na build and probly have some left over. we wouldnt need custom mounts that cost 1g. so thats saves money right there. we would need kpro so theres no getting around that. thats 4gs left to buy all other stuff for an na build and i dont think your gonna use all that much but i could be wrong. i mean dont get me wrong i want a k someday but its way to expensive. the only expensive things i see in building a d127 would be is the kpro and custom pistons. other than that idk maybe the crower cam to but not so much. some one will correct me im sure and put me on blast for my comment but oh well its all good just stating my feelings. but i cant wait to see numbers on this na build keep up the good work

sicma99ot · 11-19-2008

im still hoping to see a 200whp N/a d17. if there isnt one out there already, im sure there will be.

bakertime · 11-19-2008

^That would be impressive, and it would take quite a bit of work to get close to 200 whp... My B18C1 only made 192whp with 11.6:1 Comp, Crower Stg 3 cams, big header/2.5 Exh. w/ no cat / 3"Intake, 310's, Blox IM, and no p/s. And keep in mind that's revving to 8800. Getting a D17 up to even that point would probably take a VERY high compression that probably wouldn't run on pump gas...

That said, I admire the fact that you guys are tying to set the bar...K-Swaps are awesome, so are turbos, but pulling every last horsepower out of a SOHC takes some real knowledge and planning along with a hefty budget. Good luck with it, I can't wait to see the numbers!

bomerman19 · 11-19-2008

as of about 2 hours ago i am know scheduled for new dyno tune december 2 so I will hopefully see how much I am now making N/A

TRIZ · 11-19-2008

Thanks for the support guys.

I'm on a quick break before my next class, I just hit up crower- tryna get the maxi light rod weight.

As for 200hp... that'd be sick, but I'm a realist. 160 seems attainable. I'd be really happy with anything over that. I'm trying to pull out all the stops, and get every part thats going to help the goal, and obviously a lot of what I'm trying to do isnt really the norm for a d17 so there is a lack of info to base stuff off of, which makes it a little more difficult, but much funner then just checking off parts from the common-knowledge ideal shopping list. If not 160hp or more, at least the little bastard will get up to speed a lot faster and maybe even come close to making a record 0-60 time, yet that is wishful thinking. Time for class

sicma99ot · 11-19-2008

i would love to see one hit 200whp. i would piss myself. lmao

01_EM2 · 11-19-2008

im subscribing to this one cuz im really extremely interested in seeing the outcome. im not gonna lie the 160 isnt a major hp but to me thats freakin awesome. if i can build my little d17 to beat a b16 or a k20a3 si then id be fine..... i want my car to be just a lil faster or just as quick as some of these guys around my hood. but oh well soon we shall see

01HonderCivic · 11-20-2008

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Originally Posted by TRIZ

I checked out the E85 stations around my area- there really arent any. The closest one is about 40 mins on the highway away if I have no traffic, which is super unlikely. So I'm outta luck if I wanted to run strictly E85 unless some stations pop up on my side of town. I need to check more out on rods and pistons, the shot peening is a good idea. If the maxilight rods are infact lighter than stock, then shot peening them sounds like a winning combo for rods. Need to research more tonight- full day of classes.

Are you out in Beaverton? There's one that I pass everyday on McLoughlin to get to work...

D5cIvIc · 11-20-2008

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Originally Posted by bomerman19

my car is faster than a stock K-series.

and here is the problem with the k series you buy one you stick it in you blow it up it's going to cost at least $3000 if not $5000 to get another motor

I blow up my d17 I pick another one up for $150

hmmmm $5000 vs. $150 lol

but clint is right the way to go is turbo if money is the problem. I might do it someday but I have to finish My NA build

and like clint said getting the stock rods shot peened is a pretty sweet idea. I think its some were between 15-25 dollars a rod at my local machine shop. but the stock rods are pretty strong I managed to destroy the whole bottom end of my engine did not bend warp or flex a single rod.

first off, a K motor does not cost 5 grand. They are a lot cheaper now. Second of all, it's the driver's fault for blowing it up in the first place, and who says you had to blow it up??? drive it correctly and it'll be fine. Besides, if you do blow up your motor, you can pick up another motor without the tranny for 2500 or less. I've seen some k20a2 w/o a tranny go for less than 2000 at times.

you blow up your motor, depending on how much damage there is, you can get just another block and swap it in for less. You blow up your D17, swap another D17 back in and you're right back at 100whp if you're lucky.

I'm just saying this, you said you're faster than a stock k series, how much money did you have to spend to beat a stock k series? your potential of the all motor project is limited in the D17.

How much power are you putting down to beat a k series? i'm just curious..