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Old 06-28-2008   #2371 (permalink)
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Re: It's Rebuild Time- Motor is Out (Pg. 157) - The Speedfoos' Turbo Thread!!

A trick I do before pulling any motor out
Right away i slack the Damper pulley bolt..

With great success over the years Ive done like 50 times at least..I take the #1 plug out and i make sure the piston is at the bottom then i fill the hole with a nilon rope(yellow shitty rope) the i crank it til the rope compresses and voila their is no more bungee effect on the damper pulley bolt.. the breaker bar is used to its full effect and clack is comes off like butter.....

I do this with all other belts on you know alt, power steering etc etc...

Doing this right at the beginnng saves alot of BS....

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cant wait to see it done..

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Re: It's Rebuild Time- Motor is Out (Pg. 157) - The Speedfoos' Turbo Thread!!

Good tip man, will have to do that next time.

Just fucked up a gas ring on piston number 1 and scored the cylinder wall. Yay. Looks like I'm taking the block to the machine shop for a hone, tank, and notch. May as well have them install the Crowers and Wisecos since I don't have any new rings for my old pistons.

I hate this fucking country. I could just find a set of rings in the states in like a 1/2 hour. Not here. Oh well. At least the bottom end will be built now. Still pisses me off though.

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Re: It's Rebuild Time- Motor is Out (Pg. 157) - The Speedfoos' Turbo Thread!!

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That sexy manifold goes on as soon as it get in my grubby mitts Michael!

Woot! Crank pulley is off! Impact didn't work, breaker bars did. Never listen to Edwin either. ASE my ass...

lolz dont forget that if you need parts just hit me up and i'll go get them and ship them to you.
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Re: It's Rebuild Time- Motor is Out (Pg. 157) - The Speedfoos' Turbo Thread!!

LOL - thanks Edwin. I'm good at this point (I think). Since Honda decided to stop making the Green crank bearings, I am going to have to re-use one half of a crank bearing, but that's all right, they were all in pretty good shape so I just picked the best out of the 4 I had to choose from. I'll post up the rest of the pics from today's shenanigans in a little bit.
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Re: It's Rebuild Time- Motor is Out (Pg. 157) - The Speedfoos' Turbo Thread!!

I threw the engine in the back of my truck and went for a ride with it. I stopped at the service station just down the road and had grandpa try a whack at it with his impact. No dice. He suggested I try a tire shop - well, tyre shop since this is the UK - because they would have better impacts than he did. We all know how well I listen to advice, so I went to the base hobby shop and tried a slightly stronger impact wrench. Yeah that still didn't work. Moving on.

Went to a tyre shop in town and they tried with multiple impacts to no avail. In the end it to took three of us with two bigass breaker bars to pop it loose - which took all of 2 minutes! Needless to say I was happy, everything was going my way, and I was on schedule to change out all the bearings today and have the bottom end re-assemble before dinner.

Here's the crank end of the block without the crapastic crank pulley and bolt on it.




And for folks who have never seen what the timing assembly of a D17 looks like, here is the same shot with the cover removed. Water pump is the upper right sprocket and the oil pump also functions as an end cap around the snout of the crank.





Heheh, he said "Snout." Same shot but with the oil and water pumps removed and the engine flipped upside down. I love my engine stand. $30 at Harbor Freight.





Once I popped the girdle off, I checked out the main bearings again and they looked all right. There was a little scoring on some of them, but nothing bad enough to be catastrophic to the motor. Have a look.







Moving on then. The crank looks pretty good too. No scoring at on any of the lobes. Those little blue things you see there are Clevite rod bolt sleeves, They help prevent scarring the crankshaft when you wrest it from the engine with your extra-large meat hooks. They also help protect the cylinder walls when you are removing and replacing the pistons. Uncle Summit sells them for like $1.50 a pair.




Mmmmmm. Symmetry,





The rod bearings look really good, so my rods definitely weren't knocking.





Here's the water pump. If it has been making the squealing noise, then it's hiding it very well. I don't care enough to take it apart and see what the problem was. I've got a new one so I'll just replace it. Same thing with the oil pump.





Time to give this greasy baby a bath. Folks out there audience land raise your hand if you have this heard statement from your spouse. Damn it's hard to type one-handed....





Scrub, scrub, scrub, wash wash wash, and ta-da!!




Whoops. That was a picture of a gay man.



Ta-da! Clean engine!!









So nice and clean. Not shiny, but at least nice and clean. Oh, here's a good pic. I pulled out the rods and pistons (obviously) and want to show you the difference between stock rods and Crower F/I rods. Now I see why they call the stockers "toothpicks".




Now is when disaster struck. I got out my handy dandy Ebay-special ring compressor to reinstall the pistons. Tap tap tap goes the hammer on the wooden block to the piston #1. Tap, tap, TAP.

Hmm. That didn't feel right. Uhoh. Piston doesn't want to come out.

Shit.




Cheap ass $5 ring compressor. Looks like the block is off to the machine shop for a hone job on Monday. I'm also going to have them install the rotating assembly and notch the cylinders to clear the Crowers.

What a perfectly crappy way to finish a beautiful day.

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Re: It's Rebuild Time- Scored Cylinder Wall FTL (Pg. 159) - The Speedfoos' Turbo Thre

Great Pictures

Toss that block like a midget and get a K-series!
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LOL Scott! Just for that, there's going to be something extra special in your burger tomorrow!
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lol, but seriously. It sucks the cylinder wall got scored
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Re: It's Rebuild Time- Scored Cylinder Wall FTL (Pg. 159) - The Speedfoos' Turbo Thre

Yeah, and Lyndale's wasn't open today so I couldn't even bring the block by to let them get started on it. Now I get to fight through Peterborough traffic in the morning to get there bright and early so hopefully they'll have it done by Wednesday.
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Can you replace timing belt without removing the engine?
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lol good story. Gay man FTL though
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Re: It's Rebuild Time- Scored Cylinder Wall FTL (Pg. 159) - The Speedfoos' Turbo Thre

It's always a frickin' adventure anytime I work on the car. I shouldn't expect anything less.

Yes you can replace the timing belt with the motor still in the car, it's just a little tight to work there on the side is all.
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bastard ring compressor! o well.. it was going to the machine shop anyway right?

harbor freight engine stand huh.. I was in there the other day picking up a few things like a test light, micrometer and caliper the other day and saw it and was like whoa.. hmmm...

Will it do the job? I wouldn't want that thing to magically fail somehow and drop the damn motor on the floor..
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I hadn't planned on taking it to the machine shop since I was just going to throw everything back together with the stock rotating assembly and call it a day until I got back to the states, but such is life.

The engine stand is actually pretty decent though Jose. I was a little skeptical when I ordered it, but once it showed up, its pretty sturdy.
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I hadn't planned on taking it to the machine shop since I was just going to throw everything back together with the stock rotating assembly and call it a day until I got back to the states, but such is life.

The engine stand is actually pretty decent though Jose. I was a little skeptical when I ordered it, but once it showed up, its pretty sturdy.
Thats good, I might end up picking one up. I'm sure I'll find use for it eventually. Im actually about to pay off my car. Still has tons of little issues and as of right now, its not "sellable". So when I pay it off and get an extra ride (hopefully a bike) ill be able to start fixing the little issues.

There are problems with it that I most likely wont be able to finish one day (random issues, lack of tools, time), so i'll need something on the side to ride in case I cant finish something on the Honda. So until then, I'm just living with the car. No mods or anything planned. I just want to get it back to a completely stock and clean state
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