Page 210 = The New Project!! -The Speedfoos' 383 Stroker thread!!

[speedfoos]

USPS is my only option over here Steve. UPS and FEDEX cost close to $100 to ship anything over to me. Such is life. Alright FoSho, you've convinced me. I'll go put it on the lift now and see what I can hear. Disassembly will still be on my back in my garage though! I'll post my audible findings later.

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[ronaldo9]

USPS is not that bad. They're tracking info sucks but they are pretty damn efficient and if you want goods to ship faster spend the money on parcel post instead of priority mail.

[exturbo6]

well i blame clint..lol id rather not usps. maybe if the ghetto mail bitch would have left a note saying there is a package for you, instead of having to call and find it. fedex/ups > usps. never had a problem til clint made the choice..lol

i hope you figure out what the deal is with the car. i hope its just the clutch or something minor. maybe your luck will change once you get to NC.

[FoSho]

If ya think about it. That clutch is gonna be toast soon anyways....the power you want is gonna need more bite

[speedfoos]

I always have good luck Steve! I even got a free cup of Starbucks coffee at lunch today from the manager of our base restaurant for no reason aside from strikingly handsome face and winning smile.

OK, so we put it up on the lift and are still completely fucking stumped. I had three mechanics with me looking at and they all agree it is definitely not/not something in the guts of the tranny itself. The noise simply does not fit the right parameters.

If it was a pilot or throwout bearing, the engagement and disengagement of the clutch would change the noise. It doesn't.

If it was the ISB, putting it into and out of gear would change the noise. It doesn't.

We even eased into clutch engagement in 1st and reverse (parking brake on) to put load on the engine and the only change to the noise was the frequency got slower as the RPMs dropped until the clutch bit too hard and the engine died.

This noise is directly tied to the rotation of something on the tranny side of the crank but not past the bell housing into the guts of the tranny itself. The noise gets a little louder when you pull the shift fork boot out.

There are two likely options here.

Option 1 - the starter doesn't disengage and spins with the FW causing a squeak - not likely as the screwdriver to ear test doesn't indicate it's the starter.

Option 2 - Something is rubbing on the flywheel. It's possibly the clutch is starting to go, but it's not slipping. I've never hear of a clutch having a squealer clip like a brake pad, but that's kind of what it seems like.

My Course of Action for Tonight.

Nothing. I'm going to drink beer and fuck around on the forums talking with you folks. I may go clean the garage. We'll see.

My Course of Action for Tomorrow.

Step 1 - Pull the starter, and bump-start the car. Take it for a drive, get it good and warmed up and see if the noise is there.
- If no, disassemble and potentially replace the starter.
- If yes, go to Step 2.

Step 2 - Pull the oil pan and have a look see. Probably move right to Step 3 depending on what I find or don't find.

Step 3 - Drop subframe and tranny. Inspect bellhousing for suspicious Bubb Rubb whistle tips. Pull the pressure plate and have a look. I will probably bolt the subframe back up and attach the front and rear motor mounts so I can start the engine and run it to see what noises it makes.

That's my plan.

But yeah, clutch is gonna be toast very soon. I've got my eye on the Competition Iron Man 6-puck sprung clutch. Go big or go home at this point.

[andyman97]

Clint, I would strongly advise an action clutch. Its tested and true. All of my close friends with Hondas in Colorado used them and I picked one up in my first turbo setup and am still running the same clutch and pressure plate over 4 years later with all of the abuse I've put it through....

[speedfoos]

Action clutch huh? Thanks for the recommendation Andy, gotta be decent if it's still running on your setup. You running a stock FW too? Off to Google!

[andyman97]

Yeah, its a stock flywheel for now. New action flywheel is sitting in the garage with a new clutch and pressure plate. Check honda-tech, there's a guy on there that sells them, pretty reasonable prices. With the power you're looking for, I'd recommend unsprung to sprung. These clutches are tight but they aren't that bad.

[02BLKCIVIC]

get a sprung hub

[FoSho]

Don't noises just frustrate the shit out of you? I'm still fighting a judder on downshift......all brand new motor mounts, new transmission, new clutch, new pilot, new throwout, new flywheel, new axles, even removed the vibration dampeners on the subframe. Have even have subframe realigned 3 times!!!! Noise is still present intermittent................!JJhjsdsjkldhOUASDGAUo

I just turn the radio up!!!!!! So, don't feel too bad...I'm highly trained(haha!) & I still can't figure it out. Even my 100+ years experience in techs can't figure it out!

I had the beefed up stage 3or4(i forget) competition clutch...I absolutely loved that clutch! It was just a little too much bite for my transmission to handle.

[speedfoos]

This noise will get fixed one way or the other. It's one of those people-turn-their-heads-and-look kind of squeals so that's not something I want to deal with. You get around to installing the evac system? Mine is working like a charm, no smoke at all.

Garage is cleaned up and ready for a weekend of wrenching. I really really hope it's the starter as I really don't want to pull the tranny. Especially since I will be using a broom handle clutch alignment tool as I can't find my normal one. Good times.

[bomerman19]

Hey Clint if you have to drop the sub frame grab a sharpie and mark the position of the alignment bolts so when you put it back together you don't have to go get it re-alined but hopefully it won't come down to that.

It might possibly be the input shaft bearing because that spins regardless of whether the transmission is in gear or not; mine makes a growling and whining noise. also if the starter is not bolted all the way down tight it makes a weird squealing noise.

Sorry to Thread jack but FoSHo this might sound like a dumb idea but try bleeding the clutch line, some times air or water magically gets its way in there and it can sometimes it will give an effect that the clutch doesn't want to engage smoothly and it can cause the car to shutter a bit.

[02fpcivic]

I would tend to guess its an input bearing shaft on the tranny by the sounds of things. Its not uncommon for bearings to squeal when they are shot. The other thing to check is your free clutch pedal play and that the fork is lubed and functioning porperly. Make sure there is some free pedal or the throwout bearing will not completely disengage from the pressure plate and will cause a major problem if it seizes because its constantly working its ass off. I saw the aftermath an all motor H22 rip a transmission to pieces because the TOB got so hot it welded itself to the input shaft and clutch fork. It shattered the trans case and sheared the the flywheel right off the crank, all that was left was the hub and the bolts.

[02fpcivic]

PS my trans has made a "loose crunchy floating metal" sound when making a hard LH turn in first or second for quite some time. I can't feel anything binding but I'll be shopping for a new trans for the spring. Making good power with stock honda transmissions is pretty much a safe bet on needing a trans every now and then. Too bad there werent some realistic options for cases/gear sets, etc. Cryo treating parts probably wont do much if the case flexes either.

[bomerman19]

^^ damm thats crazy with the H22!!!

The trans case I think felxes a lot when I pulled mine out the case was covered with spider cracks it looked as if I had dropped the case like a foot it would shatter into a million pieces like peice of china.

It is a real shame that no one makes an uprated transmission for our cars (hint, hint, cough, cough......vendors)