pros, cons, and opinions please

[metalviper]

Originally Posted by sl33pyriceboi you "should" get a alignment every time you raise or lower the car. but given that ur toe is set to zero. a -1 to +1 degree will not effect ur tire wear. tat was the point i was trying to make. especilly if you are only gonna be raised a few months. then you'll drop back down. im kinda confused about what your trying to say there...

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[Curiouz_G]

Originally Posted by EnvyX

Koni/GC setup uses sleeves - and its probably one of the best units out there with regard to price. It costs about $1000, but handles with setups a lot more expensive. In fact, I have it, and love it. It rides better than stock yet handles so much better. I can also get it to sit 4 inches off the ground if I want.

had em and now on Tein SS-P's. Prefer the Teins and so does some other members of the forum. The Teins ride soooo much better for a DD. As for handling, until winters over and i slap my RS-2's back on, I cant tell you how much they differ from each other.

[WannaBFast]

Originally Posted by sl33pyriceboi

what do u call eibach ground control? is that cheapie? they cost more than ur springs.



agree. +1 for you. i have them myself and they perform ridiculously just as well as the 1500+ ones.

woah there hold on, i never said anything about brands...

and im not disputing that the koni/gc setup is bad either, im just saying that IF one were to get a coilover sleeve kit, they should probablly get the dampers as well.. as the stock shocks wont even come close to cutting the mustard for the springrate that they usually come with

[WannaBFast]

Originally Posted by sl33pyriceboi

yes and no.

when you first drop ur car, drop it to a heigh that you like. (as for me i am pretty slammed, i have almost no finger gap between fender/wheel)

after u get the height you like (most ppl have like a two finger gap or so) THEN get an alignment.

toe = zero degrees
camber = -1 degree.

why -1? becaues if you need to raise ur car up, you can raise it up to 2-3 inches w/o really affecting ur tire wear....(or getting another alignment to correct the camber)

plus, running -1 camber gives you better handling than 0 degreees.

hmm front toe i agree with you, but the stock factory toe for the rear is .16 degrees of total toe, thats .08 each side.. whoever sets this to zero on the rear is setting it incorrectly...

[metalviper]

are you guys still running stock specs??

[DeX]

I had the same debate when I was lowering, here's what I did.

I decided to go with springs and only springs because they're cheaper and give close to the same result. It's not the same ride comfort and I don't have the flexibility of adjusting the suspension 11 different ways but I wondered if I would even do that. Would I ever get under my car just to change the damper or raise it .25 inches? Not likely. And my stock (yes, stock) struts are still going strong after 2 winters in Calgary, a summer in Atlanta and a winter in New York. The springs I chose were Tein S-Tech for $200 and installed them myself, the front and back have close to the same gap after settling and it handles great. And with the 18s it looks awesome.

So unless you got $1000 to spare (I don't) then I vote for springs and just springs.

[sl33pyriceboi]

aaaaaaaahahahah too much to read... this is wt happens when i dont go on for almost a week

[DeX]

Some more for you to read. When you get your suspension on, install a camber kit as well, it is required if you don't want to buy new tires in 6 weeks. And when you take it to a shop to get an alignment done (also required for said purposes), have them adjust the camber kit as well. This made all my rubbing issues go away.

[THECHRIS]

this is exacly what i wanted. input from people on both sides. but i think i still have some more look around.
thanks boys.