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Old 01-09-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

Time for some new tires. My 195/55's right now are so freaking loud. Why do civics rattle so much and have so much road noise?

195/60/15's on Si Wheels
-Daily Driver
-Quietness is really important (minimal road noise)
-Of course grip is also important
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Both I can get for around $250 installed. Any suggestions?



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MANUFACTURER/ MODEL:
Falken ZIEX ZE-912
CONDITION:
New
QUANTITY OF 1 =
1 Tire
TIRE TYPE:
All-Season Performance
SIZE:
195/60R15
LOAD RATING/SPEED RATING:
88H

LOAD RANGE/ PLY RATING (IF APPLICABLE):
N/A

TREADWEAR/ TRACTION/ TEMPERATURE:
480/A/A
MATERIAL/ WORKMANSHIP WARRANTY:
Yes
MILAGE WARRANTY:
65000
APPROVED RIM WIDTH (INCHES):
5.5-7

OVERALL WIDTH (INCHES):
7.68
OVERALL HEIGHT/ DIAMETER (INCHES):
24.21

TIRE SIDEWALL :
Black Wall
RIM GUARD:
No
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

i say falkens, kumho doesnt have a good track record with me, ive had 2 different sets, and they dont last, and are kinda noisy, and dont consider just price as a factor, consider treadwear and compound, but its up to u
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

ive heard alot of complaints on the falkens about being noisy tires.
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

both of those are loud... Burke420.. he works for discount tire and hes had experience with these tires.. he can give u a postive review
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

i wonder if this guy even read the reviews on tirerack lol
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

both are horrible... get some proxes4 or dunlop direzzas... best bang for your buck, not so noisy, and they grip
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

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Why do civics rattle so much and have so much road noise?
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I hate the ASXs. No rain traction, nothing for snow traction and marginally decient in the dry. They arent quiet either. Quiet tires tend to cost money.
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

FALKENS. I have the 512's. They're very grippy and cheap and are prolly the best tires I bought in terms of grip and speed.
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

Ok first things first.

Tirerack reviews are not true ... Tirerack does its testing on a freaking Bmw 3 series or 5 series which itself is a very quite car. Other than that the reviews written by their customers are often after the first few hundred miles ! Any tire is quite for the first 1000 miles ..Its after the break in period that u actually start feelin everything such as road noise, lousy grip and less traction etc.
I bought General UHP's from tirerack an year ago, and seriously even though they were rated by tirerack as no.1 tires They were loud as hell (even the comfort metre said 8 out of 10 on tirerack) So please dont trust the reviews on tirerack.com

I myself have the Falken Ziex Ze-912's on my 15 inches right now and let me tell you one thing. The tires are quiter than the stock oem tires that come on the civic. Much better than the Kumhos coz i have had them to before the General UHP's. The road grip is good but not the best. Wet tracktion is awesome though ! I live in florida where it rains even when we have sunshine so wet traction is big issue here, and the Falkens fight for em Good Luck !

Oh btw the quitest tires are Goodyear Tripletreads / Comforttreads
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

If you want grip, get a summer tire, not an all season tire. The best all season I can recommend is the falken 512. They usually don't last too long though.
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

I sold and installed tires when I was in college and from my experience kuhmos and falkens are low to mid range tires, whereas michelins and goodyear are usually the high end tires. If you want a quite tire be prepared to shell out the extra cash. Just like civicarina said the comfortread by goodyear is a really good quite tire if thats what your looking for. A tire I really like for a 15" is the michelin MXV4 energy plus, but is rather expensive.

You can generally tell if a tire will be noisy by looking at the tread pattern. However, there are other variables to consider too such as tread design and air pressure in the tires. Larger blocky treads tend to be more noisy and smaller treads tend to be less noisy. If your also looking for traction on wet roads, you want a tire with more channels running across the tire and horizontal cuts (called sipes) in the tread. These cuts act like suction cups forcing out the water as they grip the road. On dry roads, grip is generally determined by the speed or performance rating of the tire. The higher in speed rating you go the better the grip, which is due to the softer rubber used--but in turn you lose milage warranty.

Also like civicarina said don't believe reviews on tires. Different cars respond differently to different tires. There is also no perfect tire with everything your looking for, it's give or take. If your looking for performance you're going to lose milage and if your looking for milage your going to lose performance.
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

I had the asx's before and they lasted me about 40,000 a little less but a decent tire for the price. Definitely not a quiet tire nor a smooth riding tire but it gets the job done. I'd say go for the 512 if your worried about the ride quality and road noise for the price but I can't speak for it's longevity
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

I just ordered the Falken ZE-912's and should be coming in tomorrow... I got mine (15") for $47 PER tire... VERY good deal at www.edgeracing.com... go check it out guys... very good deals on tires! I'll tell ya'll how the Falken's run when I get em...
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Re: Falken Ziex Ze-912's or Kumho Ecsta ASX?

Thanks for all of the responses guys. I do understand that better tires tend to cost more money, but to be honest I don't really feel like spending more money on the Civic anymore. Too much money has been invested into the car during the last 6 years, lol. I just need the best bang for the buck.

I have Michelin Energy something tires on right now and they're loud. You would think that for expensive Michelin's the tires would be a little more quiet. On top of that one of my tires continues to leak air and the sidewalls are starting to show signs of cracking. These tires came with the wheels when I bought them, so yeah. Since the life of the car I've tried about 5 sets of tires, and this will be my 6th.

1. Firestone OEM (185/65/15) - Blah
2. Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's (205/40/17) - I loved these tires. Would not let me lose grip, not loud, perfect.
3. BF-Goodrich G-Force Sports (215/40/17) - Not bad, somewhat loud, gripped differently than the Kumho's. Preferred the Kumho's.
4. Kumho HP4 716 (195/65/15) - Super fat, super quiet, super SUV feeling, super slow.
5. Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus (195/55/15) - Can't really judge these tires because they were used before I got them. As of right now they suck.

And I agree that reviews on tirerack.com don't do justice. All of the customer reviews for every tire begin to sound the same after awhile. Anyway, I'm always up for some more tire recommendations. I don't really peel out or take turns as fast as I used to anymore, only from time to time. Hmm, so I'm back where I began.
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