2002 1.7 140k - Transmission noise
06-02-2016
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2002 1.7 140k - Transmission noise
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I just bought a new daily driver, a clean 2002 civic. The motor sounds very strong aside from an exhaust leak making it sound like a truck motor. It revs nicely, and revs down nicely. I just changed the oil and it idles stably at 750rpm or so.
When the car is in gear through first and second, i hear a sound from the transmission, its hard to describe, but it is kind of loud, not a whine or a grinding. It almost sounds like a louder exhaust leak, but its coming from the right front wheel area.
Every gear works as it should and I haven't had any problems with clutch slipping. I also don't think its a throwout bearing or the input shaft bearing.
Are there any other common issues with these transmissions?
I just bought a new daily driver, a clean 2002 civic. The motor sounds very strong aside from an exhaust leak making it sound like a truck motor. It revs nicely, and revs down nicely. I just changed the oil and it idles stably at 750rpm or so.
When the car is in gear through first and second, i hear a sound from the transmission, its hard to describe, but it is kind of loud, not a whine or a grinding. It almost sounds like a louder exhaust leak, but its coming from the right front wheel area.
Every gear works as it should and I haven't had any problems with clutch slipping. I also don't think its a throwout bearing or the input shaft bearing.
Are there any other common issues with these transmissions?
06-02-2016
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I just finished an 02 EX with a 1st & 2nd gear noise like a growl. It was the input shaft bearing.
Vital Parts sold me an entire transmission bearing & seal kit for $135. And they were all high quality bearings. It's only a little more work to rebuild the whole transmission than to just replace the input shaft bearing.
I'd never done anything like this before. Just followed the You Tube video.
Now the trans is completely quiet. When I sit at an idle and let the clutch out...nothing, just quiet. It should run another 200 k.
Vital Parts sold me an entire transmission bearing & seal kit for $135. And they were all high quality bearings. It's only a little more work to rebuild the whole transmission than to just replace the input shaft bearing.
I'd never done anything like this before. Just followed the You Tube video.
Now the trans is completely quiet. When I sit at an idle and let the clutch out...nothing, just quiet. It should run another 200 k.
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I just finished an 02 EX with a 1st & 2nd gear noise like a growl. It was the input shaft bearing.
Vital Parts sold me an entire transmission bearing & seal kit for $135. And they were all high quality bearings. It's only a little more work to rebuild the whole transmission than to just replace the input shaft bearing.
I'd never done anything like this before. Just followed the You Tube video.
Now the trans is completely quiet. When I sit at an idle and let the clutch out...nothing, just quiet. It should run another 200 k.
Vital Parts sold me an entire transmission bearing & seal kit for $135. And they were all high quality bearings. It's only a little more work to rebuild the whole transmission than to just replace the input shaft bearing.
I'd never done anything like this before. Just followed the You Tube video.
Now the trans is completely quiet. When I sit at an idle and let the clutch out...nothing, just quiet. It should run another 200 k.
06-03-2016
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It depends on how much you have to use those lower gears. That's where most of the stress happens.
It is a major undertaking. Especially for me where I'd just dropped the engine & trans into the car, then discovered the noise! So the trans went in the top, out the bottom. I even had too drop the sub frame because it was an EX. I'm a relatively novice mechanic so it took me 3 days. My nephew who is a hondafanatic could have done it in one day.
What I'm saying is, when you do drop the trans do it all. For a little over $200 you can get a new clutch, pressure plate, throw out & pilot bearing, all 7 transmission bearings and the 4 seals. In today's world that's cheap!
The keys to doing it yourself are: Rockauto, Vital Parts & You Tube (search 02 Civic input shaft bearing) There's no video for a complete rebuild but the bearing locations are obvious. And they're all slip fit. Slide the old one off then slide the new one on. I couldn't detect any play in any bearing except the input shaft bearing. But now the trans is so smooth & quiet I'm glad I did the complete rebuild.
Labor is the big factor here. Parts are pretty cheap. So fix it once, fix it right, fix it for good.
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It'll get progressively worse. Rock Auto even sells a shim kit for the trans housing for where people let the bearing go until it worries out the trans housing. Though I wouldn't recommend that. Your 02 is a relatively low mileage car.
It depends on how much you have to use those lower gears. That's where most of the stress happens.
It is a major undertaking. Especially for me where I'd just dropped the engine & trans into the car, then discovered the noise! So the trans went in the top, out the bottom. I even had too drop the sub frame because it was an EX. I'm a relatively novice mechanic so it took me 3 days. My nephew who is a hondafanatic could have done it in one day.
What I'm saying is, when you do drop the trans do it all. For a little over $200 you can get a new clutch, pressure plate, throw out & pilot bearing, all 7 transmission bearings and the 4 seals. In today's world that's cheap!
The keys to doing it yourself are: Rockauto, Vital Parts & You Tube (search 02 Civic input shaft bearing) There's no video for a complete rebuild but the bearing locations are obvious. And they're all slip fit. Slide the old one off then slide the new one on. I couldn't detect any play in any bearing except the input shaft bearing. But now the trans is so smooth & quiet I'm glad I did the complete rebuild.
Labor is the big factor here. Parts are pretty cheap. So fix it once, fix it right, fix it for good.
It depends on how much you have to use those lower gears. That's where most of the stress happens.
It is a major undertaking. Especially for me where I'd just dropped the engine & trans into the car, then discovered the noise! So the trans went in the top, out the bottom. I even had too drop the sub frame because it was an EX. I'm a relatively novice mechanic so it took me 3 days. My nephew who is a hondafanatic could have done it in one day.
What I'm saying is, when you do drop the trans do it all. For a little over $200 you can get a new clutch, pressure plate, throw out & pilot bearing, all 7 transmission bearings and the 4 seals. In today's world that's cheap!
The keys to doing it yourself are: Rockauto, Vital Parts & You Tube (search 02 Civic input shaft bearing) There's no video for a complete rebuild but the bearing locations are obvious. And they're all slip fit. Slide the old one off then slide the new one on. I couldn't detect any play in any bearing except the input shaft bearing. But now the trans is so smooth & quiet I'm glad I did the complete rebuild.
Labor is the big factor here. Parts are pretty cheap. So fix it once, fix it right, fix it for good.
Thanks again for the morale support lol
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Are these all the seals and bearings I should need? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Civic-SLW-Manual-Transmission-Rebuilding-Kit-2001-On-1-7L-2-0L-BK-499-/321269855670?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
It looks like the 2 differential bearings, axle seals, mainshaft bearing, countershaft bearins that sit in the clutch cover, and then the 3 bearings at the other end of the couter and mainshafts, is that correct?
I'm also going to go ahead and replace the rear main seal, and oil pan gasket while ive got everything torn down.
It looks like the 2 differential bearings, axle seals, mainshaft bearing, countershaft bearins that sit in the clutch cover, and then the 3 bearings at the other end of the couter and mainshafts, is that correct?
I'm also going to go ahead and replace the rear main seal, and oil pan gasket while ive got everything torn down.
06-04-2016
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Yup! That's the kit. And $10 cheaper than what I found them for. It has every bearing & seal in the transmission.
Don't forget the clutch-pressure plate-throw out bearing kit. For $86 you don't want to do this again.
I looked up the price of a new flywheel and they're only a little over $100. Though it's not too likely you'll need one.
Have you seen the You Tube video? There are a few tricky parts to doing this rebuild. Nothing difficult, but you have to know the procedures.
Don't forget the clutch-pressure plate-throw out bearing kit. For $86 you don't want to do this again.
I looked up the price of a new flywheel and they're only a little over $100. Though it's not too likely you'll need one.
Have you seen the You Tube video? There are a few tricky parts to doing this rebuild. Nothing difficult, but you have to know the procedures.
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Yup! That's the kit. And $10 cheaper than what I found them for. It has every bearing & seal in the transmission.
Don't forget the clutch-pressure plate-throw out bearing kit. For $86 you don't want to do this again.
I looked up the price of a new flywheel and they're only a little over $100. Though it's not too likely you'll need one.
Have you seen the You Tube video? There are a few tricky parts to doing this rebuild. Nothing difficult, but you have to know the procedures.
Don't forget the clutch-pressure plate-throw out bearing kit. For $86 you don't want to do this again.
I looked up the price of a new flywheel and they're only a little over $100. Though it's not too likely you'll need one.
Have you seen the You Tube video? There are a few tricky parts to doing this rebuild. Nothing difficult, but you have to know the procedures.
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I found a great youtube video that explains everything except how to replace the other bearings in the kit. Since I don't have a press, I planned on heating up the differential bearings to replace. What about the needle bearing for the countershaft that is in the clutch case? How do I remove the old one? Also how do I replace the main and countershaft bearings that are on the shafts themselves, do I need to disassemble? I dont have bearing pullers or bearing seperators as the FSM suggests.
A word of warning, the old bearings look exactly like the new bearings. You can't detect the wear by looking at them and spinning them in your hand. Organization is key. Maybe even marking the old bearings and their direction before taking them off.
You don't disassemble the main or counter shafts. You have to be careful not to. Maybe lay the shafts on a pile of rags while you peck off the bearings, watching you're not knocking everything apart. Sycronizers aren't even included in this kit. I guess it's not common they need replaced. Thank goodness. (They are included in the 6th gen Civic kit) Just look at them and if they're not worn down you're OK. (check the video on that)
It's really a series of simple steps. Take a bearing off, check it's position, put it over there somewhere, get the new bearing, check it's position, slip it on. Don't panic, don't rush, don't drop it and you'll be fine. If I can do it, anybody can do it.
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I have a press, bearing pullers etc. I didn't use any of them on the trans rebuild. These are all slip fit bearings. Sure they get stuck, so I used a screwdriver and a plastic mallet to get them started. Peck, peck, peck and they came off. Cleaned up the shafts & housings with 3M scotchbrite pads and the new ones slipped back on. I had to peck with the plastic mallet on the double bearings on the main shaft. I might have used a seal puller on the bearing in the case, I don't remember. But I do remember it wasn't anything drastic. No pullers or prying or anything like that. Just peck peck peck.
A word of warning, the old bearings look exactly like the new bearings. You can't detect the wear by looking at them and spinning them in your hand. Organization is key. Maybe even marking the old bearings and their direction before taking them off.
You don't disassemble the main or counter shafts. You have to be careful not to. Maybe lay the shafts on a pile of rags while you peck off the bearings, watching you're not knocking everything apart. Sycronizers aren't even included in this kit. I guess it's not common they need replaced. Thank goodness. (They are included in the 6th gen Civic kit) Just look at them and if they're not worn down you're OK. (check the video on that)
It's really a series of simple steps. Take a bearing off, check it's position, put it over there somewhere, get the new bearing, check it's position, slip it on. Don't panic, don't rush, don't drop it and you'll be fine. If I can do it, anybody can do it.
A word of warning, the old bearings look exactly like the new bearings. You can't detect the wear by looking at them and spinning them in your hand. Organization is key. Maybe even marking the old bearings and their direction before taking them off.
You don't disassemble the main or counter shafts. You have to be careful not to. Maybe lay the shafts on a pile of rags while you peck off the bearings, watching you're not knocking everything apart. Sycronizers aren't even included in this kit. I guess it's not common they need replaced. Thank goodness. (They are included in the 6th gen Civic kit) Just look at them and if they're not worn down you're OK. (check the video on that)
It's really a series of simple steps. Take a bearing off, check it's position, put it over there somewhere, get the new bearing, check it's position, slip it on. Don't panic, don't rush, don't drop it and you'll be fine. If I can do it, anybody can do it.
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