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<< Hopefully your car doesn't have anymore problems but, if it does (and I have faith it will) i feel for you and all >>
You have faith that it will? Meaning that you think each and every 7th gen civic will eventually end up like yours?
So if 1 Civic out of 10 has some kinda major problem, you're gonna say: "Ha! I told you so!". But then, what about the other Civics that don't have problems ? And if after 5 years of ownership, something does happen, are you still gonna say : "Ha! I told you so!". Cuz eventually, all cars are going to have problems, you know.
You often point out that this forum is indicative of the bad quality of this Civic. Well, you may be right. But when you have a dedicated forum like this one for problems where every single problem is concentrated into a list here, of course it will create an impression that there are lots of problems. Imagine creating a forum like this for VW's, or Fords, or GM's, or Kia's, or Hyundai's.
And what about all the other people on this forum who have nothing to complain about? Don't forget, this site is now pushing 4000 members. So according to you, all 4000 members will eventually have major problems too, is that correct?
You look at the list here and say that this is evidence that this Civic sucks. Again, you may be right, but don't forget that there may be several thousand other members on this board who do not bother to voice their satisfaction with their problem-free civics. It's not like there's a forum where they can spend all day praising their cars. And if you look through each and every problem listed here, most of them are minor, or are of such a nature that a visit to the dealer can easily fix the problem at hand.
Looking at your problems, I have to say that you have a definite beef against Honda. But to make a generalization about how each 7th gen Civic will end up like yours is somewhat incorrect, I believe.
And as for the dealers, maybe all the dealers in San Diego suck, I don't know. But I can just speak for myself here. Each and every single problem I have brought up with my dealer, no matter how small, has been addressed with no challenges or complaints whatsoever. They have been great to me. Some dealers are better than others... and that's the way it has always been for each and every make of car. Sorry to hear that all of the ones you dealt with suck.
Anwyays, all I wanted to point out is that you may be over-generalizing too much due to your absolute hatred for Honda.
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Well, it is sad to hear the problems that some have had. Only a few people have anything to really complain about. A few minor things are nothing to degrade honda for. Between me and my wife, we have owned 5 hondas, 4 for me and 1 for her. My sister is on her second civic. What do all these cars have in common beside they are hondas? They all had and the current ones have had bullet-proof reliability. Yea, I have some rattles, but even my father's 70k lexus has some mofu((((((((((((((((kkkkken ratttles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyhow, honda is a great car manufacturer. They have been for a long time and will continue to be. I haven't had any problems with the vic and I have somewhere around 4k, I don't really know because I don't pay attention. If I did end up having problems, I would go trade it and get me another new honda.
You have to remember that if a manufacturer makes 1,000,000 cars, some are going to ride down the road and fall apart. That's just statistics and facts. Honda just turns out a lot less than say someone like VW who probably has a 50% chance of coming off a lemon or not. Plus, if my honda goes bad, I won't be happy, but honda is not God, and they can't always be perfect. Those of you who think Toyota is, let's not forget about the Cresida from the 80's that was a total pos.
it sucks that every car that comes off the line is different. there are common problems with this car. if couldve helped it, i wouldnt have bought a new model on the inception year, i woulda waited for a 2003, but i couldnt, my truck was on the brink of some major work. oh yeah, dont buy used civx cause people thrash em'
<< Looking at your problems, I have to say that you have a definite beef against Honda. But to make a generalization about how each 7th gen Civic will end up like yours is somewhat incorrect, I believe. >>
Look, the realities are what they are. An inordidinate amount of people buy CIVIC's for one simple reason - RELIABILITY. I am sorry to say that it's just not there with this edition. especially when you compare it to the 6th gen CIVIC. The reason I say this is because HONDA made some glaring mistakes with this model for no real good reason.
1. Sacrificing the DOUBLE WISHBONE suspension to save engine bay space and replacing the front end suspension with the harsh McPherson independent suspension. (big deal, my wheels stay straight after going over a bump, I never noticed this problem before.) Not to mention the bad struts within that EVERYONE is complaining about.
2. Replacing many of the interior components many proving to be defective i.e. door panel material, seat assembly, dashboard components. Previous generation CIVIC had been renowned for it's functional and well designed interior components.
3. So far this edition does not lend itself to aftermarket support as nicely as it previously had.
Just admit it, say what you want about this car GOOD or BAD. This was a case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Sure this car is still a HONDA and will have great resale and is still made better than a HYUNDAI or FORD FOCUS but, think long term. A little mistake here, a little mistake there and 15 years from now HONDA turns out to be another FORD.
I think she has every right to feel that most people will have problems with this car being that HONDA is showing us all that we are their guinea pigs. They're going to experiment on us until we stop buying their product. By the way, think about how great this car is when going over speed bumps and your brain is being shaken out of your skull.
PIPE DOWN and stop pretending to offer a rational opinion when you're really just here to flame anybody who disagrees with you!
i've had a few problems with mine but the thing that gets me the most is that the powerplant is not very tuner friendly, and that kills me. I want something i can tune and actually get "results" out of it and by that i mean HP, not just looks. just wait everyone, one more year until the Evolution 7 hits the shores of the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< You have faith that it will? Meaning that you think each and every 7th gen civic will eventually end up like yours? >>
Not what I was trying to say I guess I should clarify that statement. I have come to a uh.... conclusion I guess with this generation Civic either you get one with absolutly no problems or you get one that progressivly have every problem imaginable. I have 17,600 miles on my car and have had nothing but problems from day one. At first they were minor and just annoying but as they progressed they got worse and worse. So no I didn't mean all will end up f*cked up I just meant if you are having an outrageous amount of minor problems be prepared for the big nasty ones down the road.
<< You often point out that this forum is indicative of the bad quality of this Civic. Well, you may be right. But when you have a dedicated forum like this one for problems where every single problem is concentrated into a list here, of course it will create an impression that there are lots of problems. Imagine creating a forum like this for VW's, or Fords, or GM's, or Kia's, or Hyundai's. >>
I live in San Diego which by now everyone probably knows. Civics are a dime a dozen here 7th gen or otherwise. Just about everyone that has or has had a 7th gen civic that I have talked to hates the thing. Honda WAS a great company but no longer. I understand the car world is a man's world an most likely always will be so that is majorly to my disadvantage but I still when you have a generastion of a car with that amount of problems this generation has had there is something VERY WRONG with the caompaniyes (Honda's) quality control.
<< Anwyays, all I wanted to point out is that you may be over-generalizing too much due to your absolute hatred for Honda. >>
I didn't intend to make a generalized statement I said that in reference to his car not Civics in general.
<< honda is not God, and they can't always be perfect. Those of you who think Toyota is, let's not forget about the Cresida from the 80's that was a total pos. >>
The only reason I would buy a Toyota over a Honda now is whenever my friends have had a problem with their cars like a blown engine, which was driver error, they replaced the ENTIRE engine no charge with no hassle because the there was something knowingly wrong with the car. Just like the 7th gen civic that there is knowingly something wrong with BUT NO ONE wants to fix.
<< . Replacing many of the interior components many proving to be defective i.e. door panel material, seat assembly, dashboard components. Previous generation CIVIC had been renowned for it's functional and well designed interior components. >>
I do not agree with this statement we also have a 2000 civic hatchback with rattles out the a$$. It is less in comparison to mine but regardless that is one thing that Honda has always had problems with. Looking at the list of service bullitins on the previous gen civics in regards to the rattles there is a list probably as long as ours. But, with the 00 civic there were ABSOLUTLY NO WARRENTY PROBLEMS that is all I want. That was the idea behind buying a brand new car one and a brand new civic two.
<< You have to remember that if a manufacturer makes 1,000,000 cars, some are going to ride down the road and fall apart. That's just statistics and facts. Honda just turns out a lot less than say someone like VW who probably has a 50% chance of coming off a lemon or not. >>
Yes that is true there is nothing to do about that but when more than half of the cars have problems either major or minor there is something wrong with the quality control. Whether the the problems make the car a lemon or not there is something wrong in this situation.
<< PIPE DOWN and stop pretending to offer a rational opinion when you're really just here to flame anybody who disagrees with you! >>
Flame? Where in my previous post did I flame her? Only person I'm gonna flame are pansy-assed cry-babies like you, nycivic.
You complain about your problems ad infinitum, when they're not even that serious. And when it's suggested that a few trips to the dealer will solve most of your problems, you start complaining about how you don't have time to go. Well guess what, it's called "car ownership". If you can't handle the risks and realities of it, then buy a freakin' bus pass and spare us your whine and cheese.
You expect a perfect car as if it was your absolute right just because it's a Honda. Guess what? Perfect cars don't exist, Honda or no Honda.
And if you knew it was a mistake for Honda to get rid of their double-wishbone setup, then why did you buy one? And it's not like you didn't test drive one before you bought it, so you knew exactly what kind of interior you were getting. If you don't like your civic, then the only person you can blame is yourself for making the ultimate decision to buy one.
If anything, I hope 2cute wins her lawsuit against Honda. I see this as case of a single consumer versus a large company, and being a consumer myself, I would definitely like to see her win.
And at least she's pro-active about trying to do something about her problems by starting her own lawsuit, unlike you nycivic... whining like a little girl, and complaining non-stop about your problems and about not having time to go in to your dealer to get it fixed, and resorting to posting all your problems here, hoping for some kind of group support from the rest of us.
PIPE DOWN and stop pretending to be a man, when you're really just here to display your feminine qualities.
Rattles is nothing new for Civics. They have always had rattles which is why I have never complained about that. Go to other Honda forums and all they talk about is rattles with their 96-00 Civics. As a previous '97 Civic owner I can attest to 2-3 rattles my car had, plus others that would come and go, but none were really very bothersome or very lound, just like now. When my '01 rattles appear, it's usually because of cold weather and they go away within 10min. or after the car has been moving and is fully warmed up.
RONIN, in the end you're just a punk who likes to talk $hit on message boards, that's what you do, you get some kind of pathetic thrill out of it. Whether it's on the EDMUND's board, this board or wherever. You couldn't even dare face any of the people you talk $hit about on these boards in person. You follow people around and "QUOTE" everything they say all day just looking for a way to make yourself look all big and brilliant. Obviously, you're happy with your CIVIC, oooh good for you, you go on and keep tweaking and fixing and bringing in your car for every little thing and loving life. That's what car ownership is all about, being incovenienced constantly. I guess you're right about that.
I guess I'm spoiled. I owned a MAZDA PROTEGE from 1990 - 1996 with no problems or recalls or nonsense. Just Oil changes and a new muffler at 140,000 miles. Then I owned A 1997 HONDA CIVIC LX no problems for 45,000 miles. To me, that's car ownership. You spend 10's of thousands of dollars on something and it runs efficiently, reliably and safely.
And don't try to be on on 2cute's side all of a sudden, I've been watching you trash her for months now. Now, you're gonna pretend like you want her to succeed, when for months you called her crazy and wasting her time. All the times you went through her posts picking them apart with your little "QUOTE" button happy finger, trying to find every little thing that could make her look bad. Don't try to jump on the bandwagon now. You mean to tell me all of a sudden that she is some bastione of your human rights and that of car owners everywhere? Do you need me to go back and quote all of the posts you made? Stop thinking you can just post fuçked up $hit and no one will remember. But in the end, you're up in CANADA, in nowhere land, planning on moving to SAN DIEGO because you know what a real country is and like every other person in this world you want a piece of the action. It's crowded enough here we don't need you. Stay in CANADA and freeze your puny little a$$ off.
I'll fuçking whine and complain until I'm blue in the face, even after the day this car leaves my life. that's why they call this a FORUM!!!! You're just a big corporate suckup who thinks HONDA is the almighty king and can not be questioned. Good for you, I'll await your rebuttal and overuse of the "QUOTE" button. Along with the foul smell of $hit that comes from all of your posts. just keep kissing HONDA's a$$, it really becomes you and I would expect no less.
By the way, rattles can be annoying but I would never complain to a dealer about them. Never mind showing them where they are with post-it notes. My idea of a good time is not running around sticking little yellow post-its all over my car to point out where all the rattles are for the dealer. That may be fun for some people, but I have a job and a life. The rattles on my present CIVIC or previous generation CIVIC's are trivial to me. I am concerned with things that could be a safety issue. Things like seats that rock and slide and having HONDA tell me that that "is how the car is designed." Or AIR BAG sensors that go off whenever they want to for no reason are serious safety concerns for me. Especially when the quadruple five star crash test rating was a major reason for buying this car.
