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well I did my homework did all my services and they still denied me because I have aftermarket parts. I talked to a guy at hondacare and he said the magnusson warranty act didn't mean anything because any aftermarket part-even ones that had nothing to do with the tranny still void the warranty. Im so mad, tommorow I'm calling the better business burea, the state attorney general, evryone and anyone I can call and talk to because this is bullsh@t. How come they void my warranty yet honor jugadro's. does this make any sense to anyone?
Man, that is messed up. I'm pretty sure they are wrong.
Well actually, what mods do you have? If you're running a 15" turbo from a Mack truck pushing 550 hp mated to a tranny that can only handle up to 300, I highly doubt they will cover it.
The only drivetrain mod I have is a V2 intake. But again, they said having a solid, documented service history is key.

I'd call the number on Honda Owner Link and talk to a representative from Honda of America (again?).
Good luck - be persistent - go to your local dealer last. Gather your service records - they wanna see that you've been taking care of your car - save everything.
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well I did my homework did all my services and they still denied me because I have aftermarket parts. I talked to a guy at hondacare and he said the magnusson warranty act didn't mean anything because any aftermarket part-even ones that had nothing to do with the tranny still void the warranty. Im so mad, tommorow I'm calling the better business burea, the state attorney general, evryone and anyone I can call and talk to because this is bullsh@t. How come they void my warranty yet honor jugadro's. does this make any sense to anyone?
I think jugadros problem is different then yours though. He only had on a intake, but you have a aftermarket clutch, lightened flywheel, and a short shifter, which honda is going to say more then anything that is what caused the problems. Even though you know in your heart that the problems were there before any of that was put on, honda can argue to the max that those parts caused the problems. Now if you had an intake, exhaust, or lowered, I can understand you going to the max and complaining cause there would be no way those parts would have caused it, but when you have aftermarket tranny parts, it is harder. Good luck though.
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At the time they denied my claim all I had was a short shifter, intake, and exhaust, and my suspension. I only just changed my clutch and flywheel because the honda adjuster said thats probaly what it was. I think they just wanted my money. Anyway last night I called honda of america and the guy I talked to took my info to give to a case worker. He said hondacare is a seperate entity and if I still had a factory warranty there would be no problem. He also said that the case worker might come to the same descison that hondacare did(I hope not) or he might side with me. I'll see what happens but I went and bought an 02 ex tranny for 150 bucks, so if they end up denying me again I'll just swap em out. I don't think I should have a problem putting it in my 01.
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Well I have an internal tranny problem and Hondacare and Honda of america have denied my warranty thats supposed to be good to 100,000 miles. They said even a cold air intake would have voided my warranty and now I'm in contact with the consumer protection agency. I need people who have had tranny problems fixed under warranty to post here and let me know what the problem was and what mods you have. The consumer protection agency guy didn't even know about the magnusson warranty act and wants me to send him some of the posts off here. Ive heard that the 01 and 02 trannys are garbage and I just need to show this guy that there really is a problem and its not because of my mods. Im not giving up on this because I think Hondacare and Honda of America know the is a problem they just don't want to admit it. Any help will be appreciated.
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i am working on my second tranny now, have several mods including intake, catback exhaust, high flow cat. converter, header.

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Consumer Law Help Manual
Warranties
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act , adopted by Congress in 1975, regulates warranties given by manufacturers to consumers.[1]

The Magnuson-Moss Act does not require warranties, written or oral, or proscribe the duration of a warranty. If a manufacturer does provide a written warranty, however, the Act requires certain disclosures and standards be met. The Act also provides a consumer with the power to sue a manufacturer for breach of any written or implied warranty or of a service contract. The court may also award attorney’s fees to a successful consumer litigant.

The warranty must be written in simple and readily understood language, and must be labeled as “full” or “limited.”


• Written Warranties
• Spoken Warranties
• Implied Warranties
• Service Contracts
• Third Party Service Contracts in New York
• Advertisements
• Advertising Warranties Covered by the Pre-Sale Availability Rule
• Advertising a Satisfaction Guarantee
• Advertising a Lifetime Warranty or Guarantee
• Preventing Problems
• Remedies

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Written Warranties

Although not required by law, written warranties come with most major purchases. When comparing written warranties, keep the following in mind:

• How long does the warranty last? Check the warranty to see when it begins and when it expires, as well as any conditions that may void coverage.

• Who do you contact to get warranty service? It may be the seller or the manufacturer who provides you with service.

• What will the company do if the product fails? Read to see whether the company will repair the item, replace it, or refund your money.

• What parts and repair problems are covered? Check to see if any parts of the product or types of repair problems are excluded from coverage. For example, some warranties require you to pay for labor charges. Also, look for conditions that could prove expensive or inconvenient, such as a requirement that you ship a heavy object to a factory for service, or that you return the item in the original carton.

• Does the warranty cover “consequential damages?” Many warranties do not cover damages caused by the product, or your time and expense in getting the damage repaired. For example, if your freezer breaks and the food spoils, the company will not pay for the lost food.

• Are there any conditions or limitations on the warranty? Some warranties provide coverage only if you maintain or use the product as directed. For example, a warranty may cover only personal uses—as opposed to business uses—of the product. Make sure the warranty will meet your needs.
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Spoken Warranties
If a salesperson makes a promise orally, such as that the company will provide free repairs, get it in writing. Otherwise, you may not be able to get the service that was promised.
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Implied Warranties
Implied warranties are created by state law, and all states have them. Almost every purchase you make is covered by an implied warranty. The most common type of implied warranty—a “warranty of merchantability,” means that the seller promises that the product will do what it is supposed to do. For example, a car will run and a toaster will toast.

Another type of implied warranty is the “warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. This applies when you buy a product on the seller’s advice that it is suitable for a particular use. For example, a person who suggests that you buy a certain sleeping bag for zero-degree weather warrants that the sleeping bag will be suitable for zero degrees.

If your purchase does not come with a written warranty, it is still covered by implied warranties unless the product is marked “as is,” or the seller otherwise indicates in writing that no warranty is given. Several states, including Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Vermont, West Virginia, and the District of Columbia, do not permit “as is” sales.

If problems arise that are not covered by the written warranty, you should investigate the protection given by your implied warranty.

Implied warranty coverage can last as long as four years, although the length of the coverage varies from state to state. A lawyer or a state consumer protection office can provide more information about implied warranty coverage in your state.

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Service Contracts
When you buy a car, home, or major appliance, you may be offered a service contract. Although often called “extended warranties,” service contracts are not warranties. Service contracts, like warranties, provide repair and/or maintenance for a specific period of time. Warranties, however, are included in the price of the product; service contracts cost extra and are sold separately. To determine whether you need a service contract, consider:

• whether the warranty already covers the repairs and the time period of coverage that you would get under the service contract;
• whether the product is likely to need repairs and the potential costs of such repairs;
• the duration of the service contract;
• the reputation of the company offering the service contract.
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Third Party Service Contracts in New York
Since 1997, New York State has permitted third party service contract sales.

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Advertisements
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act does not cover the advertising of warranties. However, warranty advertising falls within the scope of the FTC Act, which generally prohibits “unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce.” Therefore, it is a violation of the FTC Act to advertise a warranty deceptively.

The FTC’s Guide for the Advertising of Warranties and Guarantees[2] provide guidelines for advertising warranties. The Guides cover three principal topics: how to advertise a warranty that is covered by the Pre-Sale Availability Rule; how to advertise a satisfaction guarantee; and how to advertise a lifetime guarantee or warranty.
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Advertising Warranties Covered by the Pre-Sale Availability Rule
In general, the Guides advise that if a print or broadcast ad for a consumer product mentions a warranty, and the advertised product is covered by the Pre-Sale Availability Rule (that is, the product is sold in stores for more than $15) the ad should inform consumers that a copy of the warranty is available to read prior to sale at the place where the product is sold. Print or broadcast advertisements that mention a warranty on any consumer product that can be purchased through the mail or by telephone should inform consumers how to get a copy of the warranty.

For advertisements of consumer products costing $15 or less, the Guides do not call for the pre-sale availability disclosure. Instead, the Guides advise that the FTC’s legal decisions and policy statements are the sole sources of guidance on how to avoid unfairness or deception in advertising warranties. Consult your attorney for assistance in researching and applying the FTC’s case decisions and policy statements.
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Advertising a Satisfaction Guarantee
The Guides advise that, regardless of the price of the product, advertising terms such as “satisfaction guaranteed” or “money back guarantee” should be used only if the advertiser is willing to provide full refunds to customers when, for any reason, they return the merchandise.

The Guides further advise that an ad mentioning a satisfaction guarantee or similar offer should inform consumers of any material conditions or limitations on the offer. For example, a restriction on the offer to a specific time period, such as 30 days, is a material condition that should be disclosed.

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Advertising a Lifetime Warranty or Guarantee
“Lifetime” warranties or guarantees can be a source of confusion for consumers. This is because it is often difficult to tell just whose life measures the period of coverage. “Lifetime” can be used in at least three ways. For example, a warrantor of an auto muffler may intend his “lifetime” warranty’s duration to be for the life of the car on which the muffler is installed. In this case, the muffler warranty would be transferable to subsequent owners of the car and would remain in effect throughout the car’s useful life.

Or the warrantor of the muffler might intend a “lifetime” warranty to last as long as the original purchaser of the muffler owns the car on which the muffler is installed. Although commonly used, this is an inaccurate application of the term “lifetime.”

Finally, “lifetime” can be used to describe a warranty that lasts as long as the original purchaser of the product lives. This is probably the least common usage of the term.

The Guides advise that to avoid confusing consumers about the duration of a “lifetime” warranty or guarantee, ads should tell consumers which “life” measures the warranty’s duration. In that way, consumers will know which meaning of the term “lifetime” is intended.

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Preventing Problems
To minimize problems, read the warranty before you buy. Understand exactly what protection the warranty gives you.

Consider the reputation of the company offering the warranty. If you’re not familiar with the company, ask your local or state consumer protection office or Better Business Bureau if they have any complaints against the company. A warranty is only as good as the company that stands behind it.

Save your receipt and file it with the warranty. You may need it to document the date of your purchase or prove that you’re the original owner in the case of a nontransferable warranty.

Perform required maintenance and inspections. Use the product according to the manufacturer’s instructions. Abuse or misuse may void your warranty coverage.
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Remedies
If you have problems with a product or with getting warranty service: Read your product instructions and warranty carefully. Don’t expect features or performance that your product was not designed for, or assume warranty coverage that was never promised in writing. A warranty does not mean that you will automatically get a refund if the product is defective—the company may be entitled to try to fix it first. On the other hand, if you reported a defect to the company during the warranty period and the product wasn’t fixed properly, the company must correct the problem, even if your warranty expires before the product is fixed.

Try to resolve the problem with the retailer. If you can’t, write to the manufacturer. Your warranty should list the company’s mailing address. Send all letters by certified mail, return receipt requested, and keep copies (see this Manual’s sample complaint letter).

Contact your state or local consumer protection office (see this Manual’s Appendix for addresses and telephone numbers). They can help you if you can not resolve the situation with the seller or manufacturer. Research dispute resolution programs that try to informally settle any disagreements between you and the company. Your local consumer protection office can suggest organizations to contact. Also, check your warranty; it may require dispute resolution procedures before going to court.

Consider small claims court. If your dispute involves less than $3,000, you can usually file a lawsuit in small claims court. The costs are relatively low, procedures are simple, and lawyers usually are not needed. (See this Manual’s chapter on Small Claims Court for more information.)

If all else fails, you may want to consider a lawsuit. You can sue for damages or any other type of relief the court awards, including legal fees. A lawyer can advise you how to proceed.

Portions of this chapter were excerpted from the FTC publication “Warranties” (May 1998).

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[1] 15 USC §§ 2301-2312
[2] 16 C.F.R. Part 239 (2004).



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Well I have an internal tranny problem and Hondacare and Honda of america have denied my warranty thats supposed to be good to 100,000 miles. They said even a cold air intake would have voided my warranty and now I'm in contact with the consumer protection agency. I need people who have had tranny problems fixed under warranty to post here and let me know what the problem was and what mods you have. The consumer protection agency guy didn't even know about the magnusson warranty act and wants me to send him some of the posts off here. Ive heard that the 01 and 02 trannys are garbage and I just need to show this guy that there really is a problem and its not because of my mods. Im not giving up on this because I think Hondacare and Honda of America know the is a problem they just don't want to admit it. Any help will be appreciated.
Now dont you also have some tranny upgrades? The last time you posted about this you said you did, so I think that plays a big factor why they are possibly denying your warranty. Best bet is too just keep fighting this issue with them.
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at the time of the problem all I had was intake, exhaust, my suspension, and a short shift kit. I only replaced the clutch and flywheel because thats what honda said the noise was. WHen parts go bad on my car I replace them with aftermarket ones. They said even an intake would void my warranty. I said so parts that have nothing to do with the transmission void my warranty and they said yes, also stating that the magnusson act didn't exist and that it was not relevent. I don't think my parts had anything to do with this problem, I think the transmissions are bad and not made well. They are just denying my warranty and using my aftermarket part use to their advantage so they don't have to pay for something they know is defective. Lots of people have had tranny problems even without the shortshifter or any aftermarket parts on their car. I just need some help so at the end of all this Honda will fix my tranny and that these problems were defects and not caused by the aftermarket parts so the next time it happens to someone else they have some precendents to fall back on. Sorry for starting the new thread and thanks for merging them.
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Wow that was a lot of posts to read..
I'm on my second transmission.. I bought the 100,000 Hondacare warranty.. No drivetrain mods.. I got the second one at around 60,000 miles. I printed off some service bulletin that I got off of this site and they were like, 'oh okay..' It was something about how you could hear a clicking sound whenever you turned right...
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Tranny slipping on 01 auto vic, 3rd gear is shit. my roof liner is coming off, had to replace starter twice this year. My battery pooped, Then alternator. Had my PS belt come off . ratteling from everywhere in my car. I hit bumps and my headlights turn of and on . glove compartment is not closing right. i get like 8 MPG no matter how i drive... i have 55k on my car not many Major problems yet, but the lil things add up.. o yah my ac makes my car smell like vaginal discharge. but yah tranny blows, i baby the damn thing and its starting to slip at 55k! i have a nissan stanza and the tranny didnt go until 178K, repalced that and i still can burn rubber in it and it has over 200k on it !!
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