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Originally posted by Ronin Ya, what do you mean by this? Are you saying you don't give gas until the clutch is ALL the way out?
After first gear, yes. The only reason for gas is to smooth out the shift. However, you can have just as smooth a shift w/o using any gas whatsoever. Now, I am just talking about taking off from a stop and shifting up through the gears, not necessarily down shifting while going down the road.
I mean, I'll apply gas but just after the clutch in fully engaged. At that point the pedal still has a few inches until completely back in its stationary position.
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Originally posted by TECHNINE Nope, Not a lot of burn out's and no abuse. It is my first 5 speed, and i guess I didn't learn how to drive right. The thing is, i had no warning of it happening, no funny sounds, no clicks or anything. It was a big surprise. I will def. ask for the old clutch back. I want to get all the parts they took out and stuff. Anyone know what parts come out besides the clutch ( if any ). Also what does a clutch look like? Thanks
You didn't notice the rpms going up while you were hardly accelerating? Like the engine is revving but the car just isn't accelerating like it should? This is what usually happens but NOT always when the clutch is on the verge of going out. Sometimes they just go out w/o warning.
Yeah, if I am understanding you correctly, you were resting your foot on the clutch pedal. This keeps the clutch slightly disengaged and will wear it out in a heart beat like you have discovered. O'well, poopoo happens....
Originally posted by Mbow After first gear, yes. The only reason for gas is to smooth out the shift. However, you can have just as smooth a shift w/o using any gas whatsoever. Now, I am just talking about taking off from a stop and shifting up through the gears, not necessarily down shifting while going down the road.
I mean, I'll apply gas but just after the clutch in fully engaged. At that point the pedal still has a few inches until completely back in its stationary position.
Ok, now I understand what you were saying. Yes, this is what I do also... but I thought that you can also burn out the clutch by leaving it at the friction point too long, even without giving any gas (in the higher gears)... which is why some people rev match, by giving gas.
And you mentioned that you can have smooth shifts w/o using any gas, but again, this requires that you leave the clutch at the friction point longer, which would also wear out the clutch, wouldn't it?
Two conflicting styles here... on how to prevent wear on the clutch. Any thoughts here?
No, it's all about the timing off the shift. I push it in and let it out. I don't release it slowly or anything.
After first, off gas/push in clutch/shift/release clutch/apply gas and so on.
I also only push the pedal in far enough to disengage the clutch. This means I am letting it out a lot quicker and while the revs are still high from the prior gear.
And the shifts aren't jerky with your method of not using gas?
No, give it a try and with a little practice you want need to use any gas. Push it in and let it out.
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I was always under the impression that not pushing it in all the way is bad for the clutch.
I don't see how it could hurt anything. If the clutch is disengaged, it's disengaged. Pushing the pedal all the way to the floor just positively says that it is completely disengaged.
You get used to the engagement point and will push it just far enough everytime. Like you'll be thinking about something else and shift as it is just second nature.
Plus, when you push it just far enough, you let it out so much quicker that the rpms are still high enough to produce a smooth shift w/o aid of the gas pedal.
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edit: And so you think rev-matching does more harm than good?
It depends on the situation. If you are just shifting up through the gears from a stop light, yes. It's not necessary in that situation to begin with so I don't know that it matters. If you are downshifting from 5th to 3rd at 55mph, then no.
thats alright for a first time driver. my retarded friend had his parents buy him a 02 celica gt 5 spd. he had to fork over $800 to the dealer to get a new clutch put in at only 8000 miles!!!! i just laughed. i never let him drive my car.
I don't see how it could hurt anything. If the clutch is disengaged, it's disengaged. Pushing the pedal all the way to the floor just positively says that it is completely disengaged.
You get used to the engagement point and will push it just far enough everytime. Like you'll be thinking about something else and shift as it is just second nature.
that is not true... just cause u can shift gears and u think the clutch is disengaged doesnt mean it is... Your causing more wear on the clutch by not depressing it all the way... just cause u can disengage it half way through the pedal doesnt mean its all the way disengaged...
picture this...
you have a metal ball tryin to spin ... and its depressed against sand paper... if you let up slightly on the metal ball it will begin to spin slowing... but because your not removing the ball completely from the sand paper your still causing friction and wearing the sand paper and the ball at the same time.... while the the ball is still spining your still actually causing wear to both objects... thats basically the same principal with the clutch.. just cause u can switch gears with the pedal half way down... doesnt mean your supposed to... I hope that cleared some things up... i have almost 60k on my car with OEM clutch still in perfect condition... and I do drive hard , but i know how to drive.
Umm...Yeah, it is completely disengaged. If there was friction you would be able to feel it in the pedel. Pushing it to the floor is completely unnecessary. The clutch is disengaged LONG before the pedal ever meets the floor. Pushing it to the floor just takes the guess work out of it.
I put 150k on the oem clutch in my 93 accord 5sp. She was still going strong when I sold her. Wife put 156k on the oem clutch in her 91 accord 5spd. Again, still running strong when she totaled it. We both just push it far enough to change gears.
Like I said earlier, the clutch is completely disengaged LONG before it reaches the floor. It's just easier to push it to the floor than to get used to just pushing the pedel past the disengagement point.
I'm not saying your opinion is wrong Mbow cuz obviously your clutches have lasted you a long time, but from what I have learned from other drivers and from various other sources (i.e., books and internet), the rule of pushing your clutch in all the way to save it from wear has been near universal (regardless of how early you feel the friction end).
For what it's worth, even the word of God (i.e., our owner's manual ) says to push the clutch in all the way to the floor.
Well, I have never met anyone that pushed the clutch all the way to the floor. You don't have to push it all the way to the floor to get it to disengage.
Edit: I bet the "honda tech" will tell the same thing that I am saying. It disengages just pass the halfway point of travel. Once it is disengaged, going all the way to the floor is just for your assurance. If it had to go all the way to the floor, you wouldn't be able to shift gears w/o doing so. Obviously, if the clutch was sligtly engaged you would feel some resistance/grinding with the shift.
And of course the owner's manual tells you to put it the floor. Some people just don't have the coordination to do otherwise. It's so much easier to push it until it stops than to push 4"s by feeling. I have been doing it for years and have NEVER know anyone to push it to the floor.
Originally posted by TECHNINE Nope, Not a lot of burn out's and no abuse. It is my first 5 speed, and i guess I didn't learn how to drive right. The thing is, i had no warning of it happening, no funny sounds, no clicks or anything. It was a big surprise. I will def. ask for the old clutch back. I want to get all the parts they took out and stuff. Anyone know what parts come out besides the clutch ( if any ). Also what does a clutch look like? Thanks
yeah you can kinda feel when i clutch goes. Gets real soft, alot of play before it engages. Also rpms MAY jump around, and may run higher then usual.
Just go onto any good performence site, look for a clutch picture. They all look about the same. (well racing ones are more extreme)
Well i got it all done and it ended up being 970 bucks. They put in a new clutch, flywheel, pressure plate, and some other " essential parts. " I thought all they were putting in was a new clutch, but apparently they dont work with old parts. Whatever im done with it. I am just confused on why i had no warning of my clutch burning or anything. It just seems like it was a big surprise, and i thought i would have known when my clutch was going out. I tried to post a pic, but the file was way to big. Any ideas??
