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That's some solid info!
Too tired to read it all though
Just a correction:
"he needs to catch you on radar. Lots of times cops pull you over for stupid speeds but they do not have you on radar. For a cop to get you on radar he MUST be going 0 km/h or a steady pace such as 110km/h on a straight or hill bend otherwise he will not be able to get an accurate measurement of your speed. "
Most police cars (Crown Vic Police interceptor, and Police Package Impalas) have 'certified calibrated speedometers' - thus, if you're speeding past him, he can figure your speed, as he KNOWS he's going 60.
We can also measure how fast you're coming behind me, as I'm doing a constant speed.
This brings me to the next point - types of devices.
I'm not going to explain them all, but note:
Radar - as found in most police cars that have a dash mounted device, are based on a doplar system... it tracks the largest/closest vechicle in it's path. Thus officers are more careful when they nab you, to be sure a big truck isn't driving opposite you.
Most handheld devices (not all) are laser, and thus they pin point your car!
Useally restricted to Traffic Enforcement - unmarked cars can have radars mounted facing reverse.
Essentially, an officer can nab you in any direction.
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Most police cars (Crown Vic Police interceptor, and Police Package Impalas) have 'certified calibrated speedometers' - thus, if you're speeding past him, he can figure your speed, as he KNOWS he's going 60.
We can also measure how fast you're coming behind me, as I'm doing a constant speed.
Sorry going to have to disagree on that one, a cop knowing you were speeding doesn't cut it in court. Cops rely on radars, i was in my friends Acura RL when he was zoomin at 170, we whipped by a cop he quickly pulled us over and let us off with a warning. If cops could use their cert speedo's then he would have issued the ticket. Cops are anal about radar readings.
Haven't been on here in a while. I went to court this past week with my brother for his 130 in a 100 (He says he was probably going around 140) anyways we followed the method I described above and went to court. Our cop was the ONLY cop that showed up, I told my brother to bring insurance documents showing how much he was paying for insurance. My brothers problem was that 1 more ticket and hes back to facility insurance, so the crown offered to drop it to 115 in a 100 no points. This is the trap, my brother is screwed regardless of 115 or 130. My brother has no points on his license so the addition of a few is trivial. He talked to the officer for 5 minutes and basically kept pleading, showing him his insurance receipts and telling him the horrors of facility insurance. The cop progressivly softend up.
The officer told him to wait a second, and went to go talk to the frustrated and overall bitchy crown. The officer came back and said "there's no evidence" and they are withdrawing the charge. I can promise you one thing, he wouldn't have just said that without the 5 minute beg a thon. The cop is often your only way out of a ticket, crowns just dont care. We were a half hour early (over estimated for traffic) and spoke to the officer immidiatly after he identified himself to the courts. Keep in mind being early means his cases are dealt with the earlier and HE gets to go home early, all factors when it comes to someone doing you a favour.
Chalk one up for Adam!
Remember when I said that our cop was the ONLY cop to show? Well someone hired a paralegal and didn't show up in court instead foolishly signed an agreement for a prearranged deal to drop his 145 in a 100 to a 125 in a 100. Now as good a deal as you may think this is (its the average walk in plea guilty deal) the officer DIDNT SHOW UP. Yes if that person had actually come to court, he would have learned that the officer didn't show up, and would have gotten off. Instead his scum bag paralegal went through with the deal and that person got convicted.
Be careful with paralegals, remember a paralegal is NOT a lawyer, (s)he is an agent. Just like I was to my brother....
Last edited by AggressiveAdam; 09-21-2006 at 05:50 PM.
nicely done, i've got three tickets to deal with in the next month...
just recently.. i went to old city hall and filled out a form to get the disclosures..... it'll take six to eight weeks and my court dates for those disclosures are within a few weeks. so if you wanted, instead of writing a letter.. so can just go to the juristiction of your ticket court house and just fill out a form to get the disclosure.
.....Hey adam, i was wondering.... if your brother didnt get that deal... were you/your brother going to try and get an adjornment?
nicely done, i've got three tickets to deal with in the next month...
just recently.. i went to old city hall and filled out a form to get the disclosures..... it'll take six to eight weeks and my court dates for those disclosures are within a few weeks. so if you wanted, instead of writing a letter.. so can just go to the juristiction of your ticket court house and just fill out a form to get the disclosure.
.....Hey adam, i was wondering.... if your brother didnt get that deal... were you/your brother going to try and get an adjornment?
I still prefer the mail system for disclosure since it probably takes longer (though what do I know). Also you have proof you sent it and that it was received. I suppose either way is good but if you live closer to a Canada Post then City Hall (most probably do) then I think mail is the better way. Might cost a few bucks but its better then standing in a line.
Yes if the officer didn't give us the deal we would have adjourned it.
...yes, either way is good.. .i just had a lot of time that day and was just learning my way(s) around it.
there's usually isnt a line at old city hall in the prosecutors office' line for disclosures. they'll give you a proof of copy that you've requested disclosure.
in regards to what adam said earlier about being in court and a paralegal pleading to a guilty plea even though the cop didnt show up....... i saw TWO paralegals do the same thing when i went for one of my court dates the other day.
i find that the prosecutors these days are more aggressive and sneaky. a few years ago.... for example, when i would sign my name in letting the prosecutor know that im present..... they would normally just tell me to sit down and tell me to wait for a bit because they know the officer isnt showing up....... this time, however.. the (guy) prosecutor was sneaky... i had a ticket for improper seat belt... i showed him that the seat belt was properly working now and asked if he would just let the ticket go...but instead... he pursude and asked me how i would plea and then just asked me if i was going to plea guilty. I just said no and said I'm pleading Not Guilty at the moment because i knew the officer was a no-show at the moment. Actually.. for the whole 3pm court time, none of the three officer showed up. Even though none of the three of the officer showed up.. he still asked if they would like to plea to a lesser charge, but STILL a conviction... not once mentioned to the defendants that the officer was a no show.
once the judge was in.. he quickly asked the defendants to the stand first and had them plea to a lesser charge and a conviction. you could tell he was being a sneaky b.asssturd because there was this one guy that stepped out of the court room for a second.. he had this one lawyer step out and have the guy come in to plea to a guilty charge.
there was a total of five or six cases where the defendant, two were paralegals defending for other people..... that agreed to a lesser charge. and all where the officer issued the ticket did not show. In all... everybody that was there that day should of gotten off the ticket but didnt.
