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I keep seeing these all over! Some kid at my school has one. Some teacher has one. I saw one at the mall the other day (now home from school so it was a different on). I saw another one on the road. wtf? Maybe it's a sign I should get one.
207hp, 208tq I think, out of a 4-cylindar.
It's oldschool, but I think it looks rad.
Are they reliable or anything? I've heard maintainance on German cars is expensive. Anyone know?
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german cars are damn expensive to maintain. if u feel u need to get that car, then by any means do get it. i was also thinkin of getin an old skool porsche but i knew that maitainance was gonna be a bitch. they are quick little suckers, but then again money comes to mind about parts plus insurance too!! so im keepin my eyes on a GS-R.
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I used to own a Porshe 944 Turbo. It was an 87 and it was incredibly fast for a stock 4 banger. That thing cornered very well and could go over 165 MPH. The turbo edition of the 944 obviously has more power (If I remember correctly it is 270?) but it also has bigger brakes, a little different front fascia, and a limited slip. The base 944's are all over for cheaper than 5k, while the turbos are still around 9k usually. Every one of these cars HAS to have the timing belt replaced between 80-100k miles, or it will jack things all up. Also, the water pump is prone to go bad. The good thing is, when this car was new, it wasn't cheap, so if you can find one that still has the original owner they are usually kept in great condition. The bad news is, they are one of if not the cheapest porsche you can buy (next to the 924 which is ridiculously ugly) so you can come across people who bought one just to say they had a porsche, and when they found out how expensive they are to be fixed, they let them go to waste.
I know from when I worked at the dealership is that 944 are very expensive to fix. Cars with over 60k miles broke down alot or needed alot of repairs usually. There is a reason they discontinued this car. I would also be wary of the 924 and also the 968 which came out after the 944. If you were going to buy one, i would look for one owned by a porsche mechanic. Then you know it was fixed right and maintained well. I knew a guy that worked at the dealer I worked at and he was a mechanic for porsches. He told me tha the 944 is prolly one of the worst porsches to buy, but he got one cheap and fixed it up. He was only asking $3500 for it and he dumped alot of money into it.
Im not saying dont buy one if you find one, I am just saying be wary of all the cars you look at. There are alot of better german cars out to buy.
They seem pretty cool, but I think there are better cars to invest in. The threads before mention problems that probably account for the low resale. I would watch our for rust problems if you check out any. For some reason both friends I know that used to have 944s gor rid of them because of rust on the frame.
hey you... get the 1994 968 turbo... biggest 4 cyl = 3 L!!!! lil less hp and MORE tq than a stock supra tt!! 305 hp (@5,400 rpm) and 369 lb-ft of torque (@3,000 rpm).
GREY MARKET. The 968 Turbo was never sold in the US, which would make it especially hard to purchase and certify. But, they are lighter than the Supra TTs and sure do go...
As for 944s, they are fun cars, but I'd be hesitant to get one as an "only" car. I've got a friend with an 87 Turbo (btw, stock HP on the turbos is 217 except for the S and the 89 that are 247). Its a fun car, but its needed lots of maintainance, which he does himself. Also, its not his only car. Parts are not really whats expensive (heck, brake pads for the 4pot calipers on the 944 Turbo are cheaper than pads from Honda for our Civics). Its the labor involved. Since he does all his own work, its not costing him $. But at the same time, you've got to be willing to have the car torn down for a few days at a time to get stuff done.
Also, as fun as it is, the interior is a bit crude since the car is 16 years old. The controls aren't the easiest to figure out, the dash illumination sucks.
The cars are a blast to drive though, and handle really well. The Turbos can be modded pretty easily and really can move. I think the 217hp Turbos went 152 stock.
Heck, I'd love one for a toy. Either that or a 928S4... Though they are different types of cars... the 928 is more tourer than sports car, but that V8 sounds pretty wicked.
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Originally posted by Chrissy hey you... get the 1994 968 turbo... biggest 4 cyl = 3 L!!!! lil less hp and MORE tq than a stock supra tt!! 305 hp (@5,400 rpm) and 369 lb-ft of torque (@3,000 rpm).
They are a lot more Mildmannered then the 911's you dont have to worry about Throttle lift oversteer nearly as much. Grass Roots motorsports did an article on the differences between the 80's 911 and the 944. They figured that for the price, and performance the 944 was well worth it. that and on almost all of the trials that they put the porches through the 944 was right on top of the 911.
Personally I'd just like to push both off a cliff (911 more then the 944), but thats another story.
Autocross: Because Life is more fun on three wheels......
"I know Solo only comes one minute at a time, but what an intense, non-stop, fast-forward car control exercise minute it is. Sure, the velocity is higher in road racing, but inside the car it is slow-motion in comparison. In Solo, the turns come like machine-gun rounds. "
Randy Pobst
yeah, oversteer sux... and i think some porsches had a lot of it. although awd on the late 911 turbo helped a lot, the RR models still have oddles of it.
Yeah, those older 930s were really bad about oversteer...
Supposedly, the 993s werem't *that* bad about oversteer, but unless you have the AWD there is only so much engineering that you can do to make the oversteer less... after all, its physics and when the engine is BEHIND the rear wheels....
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Originally posted by Chrissy yeah, oversteer sux... and i think some porsches had a lot of it. although awd on the late 911 turbo helped a lot, the RR models still have oddles of it.
My dad has a '73 911 Carrera RS so I've got some expierence with Porsche and its parts. First of all, they're great cars. The Porsche family is not as friendly as the Honda family because some members are very pretentious, but it's still a good scene. The problem I'd see is if it would be your only car. Anything that says Porsche on it is EXPENSIVE to maintain and repair. A new muffler/piping package for my dad's car can easily run over $3,000. At the age I'd guess you are at, that might not be the best thing to get into. Also, Porsches aren't as easy for DIY mods as our Hondas. Porsche builds their cars to be very complicated, and (assuming you can find one) a Porsche mechanic will remind you what you drive when you get the bill.
All in all, if this would be a weekend car, I say go for it. If this would be your only car, hold off until you're older and get a 911.
Yeah, my friend got into the self-repair due to expenses, but he also had a buddy that built a 944 Turbo Race car, so it helps...
Porsche tends to overengineer their cars, which is great from a driving perspective, bad from a repair perspective...
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Originally posted by white2K2EX My dad has a '73 911 Carrera RS so I've got some expierence with Porsche and its parts. First of all, they're great cars. The Porsche family is not as friendly as the Honda family because some members are very pretentious, but it's still a good scene. The problem I'd see is if it would be your only car. Anything that says Porsche on it is EXPENSIVE to maintain and repair. A new muffler/piping package for my dad's car can easily run over $3,000. At the age I'd guess you are at, that might not be the best thing to get into. Also, Porsches aren't as easy for DIY mods as our Hondas. Porsche builds their cars to be very complicated, and (assuming you can find one) a Porsche mechanic will remind you what you drive when you get the bill.
All in all, if this would be a weekend car, I say go for it. If this would be your only car, hold off until you're older and get a 911.
Originally posted by MMILX Porsche tends to overengineer their cars, which is great from a driving perspective, bad from a repair perspective...
Tell me about it, I use to work on the POS's. This is a prime example as to why The only thing I would like to do with a porsche deals with a Very tall cliff and a box of TNT.
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There is no and I me NO other car manufacturer that I Loath more them Porsche.
Autocross: Because Life is more fun on three wheels......
"I know Solo only comes one minute at a time, but what an intense, non-stop, fast-forward car control exercise minute it is. Sure, the velocity is higher in road racing, but inside the car it is slow-motion in comparison. In Solo, the turns come like machine-gun rounds. "
Randy Pobst
