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Old 06-13-2002   #1 (permalink)
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IMPORTANT: MANUAL DRIVERS HELP!!!!

NEWBIE MANUAL DRIVER HERE!

I"m having a major problem here!!

FIRST GEAR PROBLEM!


1: Brake and Clutch
2: shift into FIRST
3: release half way or up to friction point
4: put a little gass

PROBLEM: the engine is reving up to 3000. still not moving

1st try: i release the clutch .. car stalls

2nd try: i release the clutch slower than 1st try... 3 seconds of slow releasing and it doesn't move....then it jolts...




WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

This is a new car so I don't wanna break it.... I learned a while ago on a celica and everything was fine..


























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Old 06-13-2002   #2 (permalink)
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Dude, its simple. You almost have to balance them. (clutch and gas). Push in the clutch with your foot on the brake. Put the car into first. Let foot off the brake and gas it slightly, not too much. Now slowly let out the clutch. As it starts to go, give alittle more gas to get going. GooD Luck man[IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG]
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yes, finally something i can help with through experience. alright here is the deal, if it revs up to 3000 its not that big of a deal, let the clutch out a bit, put the gas on easy, and slowly release the clutch. now the key is not to freak out when is revs up and let of the gas and the clutch. you may squeel the tires the first couple times but after a couple of goes you should be good. so lets recap: let the clutch out just a tad, put a little gas on, dont freak out and let off (unless it revs rediculously high, i would say over 3000 and after a couple tries it will be lower than that), then slowly release the clutch. you'll have it down perfect in a couple of days.

Edit: oh yeah and once you get rolling keep giving it gas, dont just let off or anything haha
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why did you get a stick then, man are you planning on sooping it up and race it (please say no cus you are a new driver) if not i would say get a auto the auto on are cars look tight the button is on the front not side
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Hey buddy, don't worry about it. It took me almost a whole day to learn stick. Hahah. First I would start on a level ground area...preferably a big parking lot...like at a vons, school, movie theater...whatever. Then practice your starts over and over and over again. Takes a little getting used to. You don't have to go up to 3000 rpms to get moving...just put around 2 grand on her....release the clutch like you would put on the brakes when stopping. Don't drop the clutch..just as you wouldn't slam on your brakes when you see a red 500 ft away.
sooooooo..take off....

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sadboy619> i bought my car as a 5spd and i didnt even know \how to drive it off the lot. I am planning on racing it but you dont have to get an auto if you cant drive a standard you jkust adapt and learn as far as shifting thing goes its all a balance thing anf you gotta be calm dont worry bout the rpms as loong as they arent too high otherwise you gonna squeel the tires youll get it
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I was the same as you when i first got my car...my 1st stick...

Look at it this way...about a month from now..it's gonna be like second nature and you'll be laughing later..

You'll get the hang of it
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yeah, like they said, you just have to find that balance. lift the clutch slowly while giving steady gas, try keeping the revs at like 1.5 - 2. practice keeping the revs in that range first withought letting off the clutch to get used to the pressure youre using with your foot to the gas pedal, then once you get a little comfy with it, start letting off the clutch slowly.

but yeah, DO IT ON LEVEL GROUND WITH NO CARS AROUND, AND NO POLES OR TREES!! [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

good luck dude, welcome to 7thGen and to the 5-speed. hehe

let us know how youre doing in like a week. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
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when did all you learn to drive stick i had to be about 10 or 11 at my grandpa's ranch he has a lot of land and he used to let me drive his old chevy truck around in it and i got the hang of it fast lol probley killed his tranny thou but my sister learned about 10 months ago and she still SUCKS at it i bet if i take a look at her tranny i will find BIG problems in it (i would be mad but its a bug so i cant wait to get that green thing out of my driveway)
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I gotta say to everyone!!!

/////// THANKS FOR THE GREAT TIPS! =) \\\\\\\\\\\\


sadboy619 ---> I got a stick cuz it WAS fun. Learned to drive it with a 2001 Celica and it was great...
it was alot easier to balance, it was basically release a bit and then gas and go..

I got into a CIVIC and it was felt like eternity releasing that clutch.. it's way higher than what i practiced on

Yepz. I woudl of got a Celica if insurance wasn't $9000.00 Canadian..


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I learned on a 88 Civic and then I got my 83 Subaru and that was clutch too so every car I have owned has been stick can't get away from it LOL its too much fun keeps me busy. Plus when I drive Auto I always look to be downshifting and saving some brake life.

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i learned my freshman year of college on my roommates 86 Montero (wrangler style...whatever model that is). then i had my 88 cutlass cuera (auto) that got killed by a tree in the winter. after that ive driven my friends 91 saab stick many times, another friends 98 audi a4 stick, 90 corolla stick, and just couldnt get an automatic civic when i was getting the new car. its too much fun to drive. youre actually doing something rather than just sitting there. never going back to auto!!!
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Yeah, I hear ya there once I found the manual I just can't drive auto unless its a SUV but thats my moms. My dads new accord is cool but it should have been a manual oh well, he asked me if I wanted to buy it when he was done with it told him no way big guy thats a Auto you can sell it to my little sister though [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

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When I bought my car my dad had to drive it off the lot becuase I couldn't drive it. I learned on my own that same day.
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Hmm..I dunno..it took about 3 minutes to elarn to drive stick..but I been driving motorcycles and ATV's since I was 6 so I'm very used to the clutch concept. Now when pulling out I never rev past 1100Rpms and my clutch pedal is down for about half a second before I'm in gear and going. I'm one of those sickly smooth fast shifters..[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]. You'll get used to it. Just rememeber though..better to stall than put too much wear on the clutch.
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It didn't take me very long to learn...now HILLS on the other hand, now that was a little more difficult! When you practice hills, remember to start small and increase your gradient. Don't be afraid of rolling back - it's not such a bad thing...just remember to not roll too far back!

And yes, I got my car and didn't know how to drive stick - total time to get perfection: 2 days with hills.

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why did you get a stick then, man are you planning on sooping it up and race it (please say no cus you are a new driver) if not i would say get a auto the auto on are cars look tight the button is on the front not side[hr]
Just because he's new to stick doesn't mean he can't get one and learn on it. Eventually he will be good at it and smoke you're @$$ so stop diss'n new stick drivers. Maybe YOU can't drive a stick and have tried and still don't get it so that's why YOU'RE driving an auto.

Anyways on my P5 a good rev point is at about 1500 rpms, and just hold it steady there, then release the clutch slowly and you'll feel the car moving forward with no jolt, at that point when the car moves, slowly add more gas to the desired acceleration. Give it a week and you'll have 0 to 1st no problem. After that it's time to learn downshifting and heel-toe.
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I gotta say to everyone!!!

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Yepz. I woudl of got a Celica if insurance wasn't $9000.00 Canadian..[hr]

Umm it shouldn't be that much unless you have a bad history of getting into accidents
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[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] I wonder if he remembered to take his PARKING BRAKE off....[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
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Sounds like you drive about like my wife. It just takes time and learning it. Good luck, and keep it in empty parking lots for a while.
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First gear is always a pain - but once you master that, you'll do fine. Just practice a lot - After you get it down a little better, you stall it out, practice like you did it in traffic, with a fast recovery. After all - it might happen since you're just learning. What I found works best is not to concentrate on the steps, but what the car needs. Stall it and think what happened: Was it getting enough gas? Was I engaging the car too soon? That way, you won't be thinking all the time about the steps to get the car going. Eventually, you'll be able to sense what you need to do, and it becomes second nature. Be at one with your car! Twilight-X's 'zen' driving school lol...

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First gear is always a pain - but once you master that, you'll do fine. Just practice a lot - After you get it down a little better, you stall it out, practice like you did it in traffic, with a fast recovery. After all - it might happen since you're just learning. What I found works best is not to concentrate on the steps, but what the car needs. Stall it and think what happened: Was it getting enough gas? Was I engaging the car too soon? That way, you won't be thinking all the time about the steps to get the car going. Eventually, you'll be able to sense what you need to do, and it becomes second nature. Be at one with your car! Twilight-X's 'zen' driving school lol...

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Soooooo true!!
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Learned on my Civic...

Took 30 minutes to get the hang of it... took another 30 minutes to get comfy with it.

Learned in an hour.
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my advice is don't worry about reving too high...its not going to mess it up...stick shift is meant to be reved...and don't let go the clutch too quick...like rev slowly and ease up on the clutch slowly...but i gotta say honda clutches are much heavier than other cars i drove before
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stick shift is meant to be reved...[hr]
You have no idea how many people on this site are worried about revving their engines.
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LOL. yeah.. I ALWAYS worry about the rev.. revs up to 4000 always scares the crap out of me.

I tried again, holding a steady rev at 1500 and then Stall. I let go of the clutch too early or not enough gas..

I was doing this on an uphill.. takes me around 10 seconds everytime to steady the car on the hill.


Gonna try again when I get an old car to practice on..

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BTW


is anyone's CLUTCH like this..



<===== x = >

x is the frictional point. is it suppoes to be that high up.??

thanks

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here's a good way to learn how slow you have to let out the clutch:

Go to a FLAT empty lot
Put car in first, take foot off brake, leave left foot on clutch
WITHOUT touching the gas pedal, let out the clutch VERY slowly until the car starts to creep forward
Continue to let it out slowly until it is all the way engaged
Next time try reving just 200 rpm past idle, and get a feel for it that way, until you can do it.
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stick shift is meant to be reved...[hr]
You have no idea how many people on this site are worried about revving their engines. [hr]
are you serious?? what's there to worry about...if you have a loud ass exhaust you'll rev for no reason...hahahah
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