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Back then, I thought that FF cars cannot drift; I thought powersliding is different from actual "drifting". After reading Honda Tuning,
They featured Keisuke Hatakeyama, a FF drift legend. You can visit his site (with his car) at: http://www.fdori-style.com/
Not believing that FF cars can drift, I did an extensive research on what exactly drifting is.
After watching the Drift Bible, Keiichi Tsuchiya, known as the Drift King, stated an entry level technique for drifting. Side drift, also known as pulling the e-brake, relys all on the e-brake.
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Originally Posted by Keiichi Tsuchiya
Pull the e-brake at the corner entrance and concentrate on making the car go sideways. You brake and then turn turn the wheel, step on the clutch and pull the e-brake. Release the e-brake, go into counter steer mode, then wait, wait until you know that the car is facing the corner exit direction then you gently start steping on the gas. How hard you should step on the gas pedal should depend on how much you're sliding and counter steering, all of this should get you to exit the corner, in one piece.
Doesn't that apply to FF appkications? Tsuchiya never mentioned to step on the gas pedal during the corner.
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Originally Posted by Caucasian.Asian
Drift To cause a vehicle to exceed its tires' limits of adhesion, exhibiting a lateral slip, resulting in an oversteered condition. http://www.driftsession.com/glossary.htm not, rear wheels spinning throughout a lateral slip.
i consider it drifting, and it looks like there is so much more skills involved.
E-Brake Drift
This technique is very basic, pull the E-Brake or side brake to induce rear traction loss and balance drift through steering and throttle play. This can also be used to correct errors or fine tune drift angles. Main drift technique used in FWD vehicles.
1. Enter a turn at a speed too high for the vehicle to handle (if you do not drift, your vehicle should experience understeer at this speed).
2. Heel-Toe Downshift to get your vehicle into a gear low enough to pull you through a drift (2nd gear).
3. Turn your wheels sharply into the turn. By the time you finish downshifting and turning your wheels, you should be at the apex of the turn.
4. Hold in the release button on your E-Brake and pull up your brake sharply, then quickly release (e-brake is held up for only about 1 second). If using a RWD car, clutch in while pulling your E-Brake. If using a FWD car, keep on the throttle while pulling your E-Brake.
5. When you feel the vehicle’s rear end kicking out, immediately countersteer the wheels to face straight with the road. Your vehicle will pull in the direction of the front wheels, as long as the wheels are still moving. Keep on the throttle. If you press the brakes or let off the throttle because your vehicle is in an extremely oversteered condition, you will spin out or leave the road.
6. When you wish to straighten out your car, after completing the drift, let off the throttle smoothly and straighten out the wheels as your vehicle kicks in line behind the front tires.
powersliding is a funamental skill of drifting... all this argueing bout what is a drift and what is not a drift is F-ing dumb. Using e-brakes deosn't mean that it's "noob" technique... different turns and situations take for different methods used to overcome it. E-brake drift is just one of these many techniques that can be applied to accomplish a "drift" turn. Even the "noob-est" of noob drifters know this..... F.... even people who watch Initial D understand the basis of this arguement. And yes... a FFD car can drift as good as a FRD...
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Originally Posted by cdmx
you guys who keep saying a "REAL" drift doen't involve the ebrake Do not know what they are talking about....Theres LOTS of different techniques for drifting...Theres no REAL WAY....MABYE more difficult THATS ALL...sheesh
go watch the drift king bible
Come to think of it, "powersliding" and "side drift (e-brake drift)" is a way to drift.
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Originally Posted by Answers.com
Drifting is a form of motorsport in which the driver maneuvers an automobile to oversteer through an apex or straight, often with opposite lock. To perform this type of driving requires precise control over a vehicle, and sustaining such a drift for an extended period of time (and in a controlled manner) is often the object of drifting competitions. Because drifting is not the quickest way to take a turn, drivers are judged more on car control, technique, and style.
Furthermore, although nearly any wheeled vehicle can be placed into a drift for an instant due to loss of control, in general only rear-wheel drive (RWD) automobiles are capable of maintaining a controlled drift for an extended period of time. For this reason, sporty RWD cars such as early Toyota Sprinter Truenos and Corolla Levins (both cars are virtually identical), Mazda RX-7s, and Nissan 180SXs, which are relatively inexpensive yet were engineered with sophisticated suspension and rear-wheel drive configurations, are especially popular with amateur drifters.
The sport is particularly popular among young automotive enthusiasts in Japan, and the popularity has spread to the United States, Australia, Europe and various other locales.
In the 1930's, Tazio Nuvolari was the first driver to intentionally drift an automobile in order to corner faster. This technique became heavily used in the 1950's and 1960's before aerodynamics became prevalent in motorsports. Keiichi Tsuchiya, nicknamed the "Drift King" is one of the most famous drifters and is now an official D1 Grand Prix judge. He helped bring drifting to the mainstream by drifting his Toyota in Japanese touring car races, and participating in illegal mountain racing and drifting while still racing professionally.
Drifting in technical racing terms refers to a car's slip angle.
In bold, it does not say directly or indirectly that FF cars cannot drift. Therefore FF drives can drift. Then again, we all have our own definition of dirfting. Below are the vids I've mentioned. The vids maybe reposts, but the vids are just there to provide as evidence.
Then one day we searched online and found a video clip, narrated in Japanese, of [Keisuke Hatakeyama] drifting an EF Civic. Not only he was drifting it, but he was also beating the Nissan he was going against. Whether this was an actual competition, demo or just friendly sparring, we don't know... Not only was [Hatakeyama] was drifting, he was also controlling the car in a manner of any top road racer.
If you like what I've compiled, rep points would be nice.
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I read that article too...I knew ff cars could drift already but I was always intrigued by how. I can't wait to download your videos to watch the cars closely. If you ever wanna see real ff cars drive hit california and hit a small city called Glendora. They have a road called glendora mountain road. Its usually only open in the summer because its soo narrow and curvy and has alot of hairpins. Just like in initial d alot of street cars that are both types of layouts come to drift the turns and race. Some nights there can be up to 50 cars parked at the peak of the mountain.
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i STILL consider it drifting. NO WHERE does it say drifting is only for RW drive cars, and if it does, someone provide a link.
oh, yeah. thanks for quoting me.
That is an excellent post. I was once ignorant, too, and swore up and down that a FF car cannot drift. But that is ignorance talking. After talking to people who have been in the drifting scene for awhile you come to realize how respected Hatakeyama is. If what Hatakeyama does on the track isn't drifting, he wouldn't have received the amount of acclaim or respect from his peers in the drifting world that he has. Drifting is more than what kind of car you drive. There are plenty of people driving around in FR cars that can barely cut the back tires loose. It takes a truly talented driver, one who is so in tune with the car that they have the ability to move the car's weight in ways that sometimes seem to defy physics. Bottom line: "Drifting" is not just the FR kids... even the real "Drifting" kids know this.
I'd send rep points your way... if only I knew how
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i STILL consider it drifting. NO WHERE does it say drifting is only for RW drive cars, and if it does, someone provide a link.
oh, yeah. thanks for quoting me.
It's not written, but it's common sense that a FWD car cannot induce oversteer without the E-brake, at which point it is not a drift, but a powerslide.
It's not written, but it's common sense that a FWD car cannot induce oversteer without the E-brake, at which point it is not a drift, but a powerslide.
yup.
the definition of drifting is this.
using the car's power to break traction on the rear wheels, causing the car to slide sideways in a controlled oversteer before the apex of a turn.
a couple things here. A fwd car cannot do this controlled without using the e-brake. at which point, it becomes a powerslide, NOT A DRIFT. also, in FWD cars they generally do not do this until at or after the apex, which again, by definition is a powerslide, NOT A DRIFT. The reason a FWD car cannot do this before the apex of the first powerslide, is due to the fact that since the front wheels are the driving wheels, using the e-brake to induce a powerslide before the apex would cause the car to go off the track, rather than powerslide around the curve of the turn. A RWD car can use throttle/power to continue to push the car around the curve of the turn in a controlled oversteer before the apex. This alone is something a FWD can't even physically do because of the laws of physics.
So, sorry guys. FWD cars cannot drift, by definition. They can only do a powerslide.
however, as I stated, the sport of powersliding in FWD cars has become so popular they simply throw the term drifting in for simplification.
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