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Old 02-14-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys, I don't know if ya'll notice this but there is no difference inbetween the engines we got. I had been researching the differences of a 1.6 and a 1.7L civic's, basically the only thing that is different is the gas mileages and some HP gain for the DX and HX. There is no difference in the EX and SI in HP other than the engine size. Now take 1.6 and 2.0L with the same amount of HP, usually a 2.0L will weigh more than the 1.6L engine, I guess thats why it was reasonable to make the SI of this generation a hatch to balance the center weight of the vehicle (Correct me if I'm wrong), making sure that the front does not weigh more than 200 or 600 lbs or else if I'm guessing, stopping can cause the car to flip with a certain amount of energy and force that travels with it and I'm talking about just flooring the brake or using the e-brake. I had seen the 8th gen Civic SI Concept, and it probably use the same properties to maintain its balance. Interesting though...I can see the advantages of the bigger engine but when you think about it, do you really need that much more HP? I don't know... The Type R in Europe holds about 195 HP stock. Crazy huh? Oh well...time to go. To remove this ad, register today for free or log in if already registered!
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Hey guys, I don't know if ya'll notice this but there is no difference inbetween the engines we got. I had been researching the differences of a 1.6 and a 1.7L civic's, basically the only thing that is different is the gas mileages and some HP gain for the DX and HX. There is no difference in the EX and SI in HP other than the engine size. Now take 1.6 and 2.0L with the same amount of HP, usually a 2.0L will weigh more than the 1.6L engine, I guess thats why it was reasonable to make the SI of this generation a hatch to balance the center weight of the vehicle (Correct me if I'm wrong), making sure that the front does not weigh more than 200 or 600 lbs or else if I'm guessing, stopping can cause the car to flip with a certain amount of energy and force that travels with it and I'm talking about just flooring the brake or using the e-brake. I had seen the 8th gen Civic SI Concept, and it probably use the same properties to maintain its balance. Interesting though...I can see the advantages of the bigger engine but when you think about it, do you really need that much more HP? I don't know... The Type R in Europe holds about 195 HP stock. Crazy huh? Oh well...time to go.
i got to the word notice and fell asleep, sorry
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usually a 2.0L will weigh more than the 1.6L engine
I don't know why people think this, I always thought that if it has more displacement and is built from a similar block, it would be lighter because it is more hollow. I don't know though...
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Hey guys, I don't know if ya'll notice this but there is no difference inbetween the engines we got. I had been researching the differences of a 1.6 and a 1.7L civic's, basically the only thing that is different is the gas mileages and some HP gain for the DX and HX. There is no difference in the EX and SI in HP other than the engine size. Now take 1.6 and 2.0L with the same amount of HP, usually a 2.0L will weigh more than the 1.6L engine, I guess thats why it was reasonable to make the SI of this generation a hatch to balance the center weight of the vehicle (Correct me if I'm wrong), making sure that the front does not weigh more than 200 or 600 lbs or else if I'm guessing, stopping can cause the car to flip with a certain amount of energy and force that travels with it and I'm talking about just flooring the brake or using the e-brake. I had seen the 8th gen Civic SI Concept, and it probably use the same properties to maintain its balance. Interesting though...I can see the advantages of the bigger engine but when you think about it, do you really need that much more HP? I don't know... The Type R in Europe holds about 195 HP stock. Crazy huh? Oh well...time to go.
the engines between the ex,dx,lx are very similar, and pretty much the same engine. However, there ARE small differences between the engines. For example, lack of vtec control module in the dx,lx. To my knowledge they also only have single profile cam shafts, vs a double lobe cam shaft in the ex.

These are 2 examples.
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VietScouty, you'd be supprized how nose heavy a car would have to be in order for it to nose over under heavy braking .... Not to mention how sticky the tires would have to be. same thing in cornering. In order to get a passneger car to roll over you pretty much have to slide it sideways in to something soft, like dirt or sand. This is why its better off to try and go off course while going straight, rather then sliding it in an attempt to save the car... Your much more likely to roll by going off sideways. and to have one roll due to tire grip... Thats even harder, you'd have to have some Very grippy tires Very hot (hoosiers or Kumho V710's) For you to even generate enough force to do it with. Pretty much the only issue you run in to with excessivly nose heavy cars is an increase in Understeer... (This is why VW VR6's dont handle as well as their 1.8T counterparts...)


Think about it, How nose heavy is a Gutted Race preped (H1) CRX thats running a B-Series engine? and yet they have no rolling problems... (Just snap oversteer )
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Same... Isn't this general knowledge?
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Hmmm...thanks for your opinion guys. But I guess its pretty interesting when something like this comes to mind. It always make you wonder you know.
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aww.. i feel bad now lol.. noone really supported VietScouty.. well.. let it be known that you're quoted in my signature if that helps
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