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another high school shooting?...wth is wrong with American society today?...when i'm a parent and my kids are goin to school i rather worry about their grades than rather or not they're gonna get shot...i just hope they dont start blaiming movies, music, eminem, marilyn manson, etc. again
my condolences go out to the victim's familes
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If you look at that map I live to the right of that. Right on the tip of the lake. I will say it is fawked up, never thought something like this would happen close to home. Blame lies right on the parents, not music, not media, not video game violence. Parents are not being parents and supervising what their kids are doing.
Parents are not being parents and supervising what their kids are doing.
exactly. I dont know how many times i've seen kids in their teenage years, 13-14ish just roaming the streets at night. I even had some kid while I was going through drive through at Mcdonalds, some kid kicked the back of my car!
my general rule is: there is a reason they're your EX boyfriend. i don't redate.if they were that amazing, you wouldn't have ever broken up in the 1st place.
i think this whole school shooting sux. I would be traumatized if my kid was in a school shooting.
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my general rule is: there is a reason they're your EX boyfriend. i don't redate.if they were that amazing, you wouldn't have ever broken up in the 1st place.
my general rule is: there is a reason they're your EX boyfriend. i don't redate.if they were that amazing, you wouldn't have ever broken up in the 1st place.
Yeah, Texas, and to further your feeding frenzy I am also in the Marines. lol. No logical need for it, but if I were to break into someones house and saw that thing pointed at me, I would probably need to change my drawers before following through with any illegal act. And the one true reason why choosing an [assault] shotgun for home protection, is it is easiest to use as non lethal with rubber shot.
another thing, what is running lean? people say that turbo make your car run lean. does it mean that the car runs lean to the side, like an allignment problem?
If guns were illegal this would've never happened. I, for one, don't believe that guns should be readily available to people and, for those who own them, stricter laws should apply.
This case is different in that you can't charge the grandfather for being negligent with a weapon because he's dead. However, had he been alive, I would say he should take as much of the blame as the kid who shot up the school. Tougher laws and stricter control of arms is needed in this country. When will people see this?
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were the guns from the grandparents?? I really dont know who i would point my finger at. I read the dad committed suicide 4yrs ago, and the mom is in a nursing home cuz she has brain injuries due to a car accident, i would guess that going through all this, the kid would be messed up as it is. So like i said earlier i wouldnt know who to point my finger at.
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my general rule is: there is a reason they're your EX boyfriend. i don't redate.if they were that amazing, you wouldn't have ever broken up in the 1st place.
I love it-- as soon as a tragedy occurs, instead of looking @ the systemic elements of why that kid cracked and killed many people, the left wing always, ALWAYS, jumps to the conclusion that, My God, it was all the guns' fault. If there were no guns this would have never happened. Don't address the problem at hand, just blame it on the guns. Like I said before, I love it, its fun to see people attack a general issue and not the problem at hand. To All who hate political disputes on Civic Forums, I TRULY APOLOGIZE, I hate seeing people spat back and forth with their own political agenda's, but I can only take so much of people being naive.
Blame lies right on the parents, not music, not media, not video game violence. Parents are not being parents and supervising what their kids are doing.
As you can see in my prior post, I am not blaming guns here. I am 24 yrs old. I listen to Dr. Dre - The Cronic when it came out in 1992. Than I listened to Snoop Doggy Dogg's - Doggystyle when it came out. Than I proceded to play Mortal Kombat. Does that make me f*cked up. No. I had competent and educational parents to teach me right from wrong. The root of these problems are that the Parents are not parenting. They are letting the TV, PS2 parent for them.
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Yeah, Texas, and to further your feeding frenzy I am also in the Marines. lol. No logical need for it, but if I were to break into someones house and saw that thing pointed at me, I would probably need to change my drawers before following through with any illegal act. And the one true reason why choosing an [assault] shotgun for home protection, is it is easiest to use as non lethal with rubber shot.
I could give two random piles of sh!t that you are in the Marines. But if you need a gun like that "self-protection" You need to reevaluate what you are doing whereever you may be living. Let me also remind you that Minnesota is also a conceal and carry state.
I love it-- as soon as a tragedy occurs, instead of looking @ the systemic elements of why that kid cracked and killed many people, the left wing always, ALWAYS, jumps to the conclusion that, My God, it was all the guns' fault. If there were no guns this would have never happened. Don't address the problem at hand, just blame it on the guns. Like I said before, I love it, its fun to see people attack a general issue and not the problem at hand. To All who hate political disputes on Civic Forums, I TRULY APOLOGIZE, I hate seeing people spat back and forth with their own political agenda's, but I can only take so much of people being naive.
First and foremost, I'd like to say that I am trained in small arms and, as such, understand the responsability of owning/carrying a gun. That being said, I see no reason for the "common citizen" to need a gun. They should be only for those protective services such as the military and police forces (this includes federal agencies) and for hunting/sport. No concealed weapon permits should be allowed.
That being said, if a person is well educated on the use/storage/safety of weapons then there should be no problem with them owning guns. However, the laws must be strict enough so that any crime commited with a fire arm would carry a discouraging penalty to anyone who would commit it and those who facilitate it.
The Secong Amendment to the Constitution is outdated and misinterpreted. It was originally intended to keep a ready force in case of attack by another government on our sovereign lands or for the citizens to protect themselves from their government. It worked for the War of 1812 as well as the Civil War. Since that time, technological advances have rendered the Amendment obsolete. We no longer can hold off an invasion with pistols and shotguns when being attacked by tanks and planes. There is no way for us to defend ourselves against our own government even if we felt it had to be overthrown for whatever reason. It is for these reasons, as well as others not stated, that the owning of guns is no longer required, while still being permited, in our society.
Guns should be regulated, and quite strictly, I might add. Had there been stricter gun control, we wouldn't see as many violent crimes as we see now. I use Canada as my example. Canada has as many guns as the U.S. per capita yet they are educated better and have stricter laws concerning crimes commited with firearms. As a result, their crime is less than 1/4 or ours.
BTW, I'm not blaming the gun, I'm blaming those around the kid who should've seen this from a mile away. But, if the kid didn't have access to the weapons, there is no arguing the fact that this tragedy WOULD'VE NEVER HAPPENED.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
First and foremost, I'd like to say that I am trained in small arms and, as such, understand the responsability of owning/carrying a gun. That being said, I see no reason for the "common citizen" to need a gun. They should be only for those protective services such as the military and police forces (this includes federal agencies) and for hunting/sport. No concealed weapon permits should be allowed.
That being said, if a person is well educated on the use/storage/safety of weapons then there should be no problem with them owning guns. However, the laws must be strict enough so that any crime commited with a fire arm would carry a discouraging penalty to anyone who would commit it and those who facilitate it.
The Secong Amendment to the Constitution is outdated and misinterpreted. It was originally intended to keep a ready force in case of attack by another government on our sovereign lands or for the citizens to protect themselves from their government. It worked for the War of 1812 as well as the Civil War. Since that time, technological advances have rendered the Amendment obsolete. We no longer can hold off an invasion with pistols and shotguns when being attacked by tanks and planes. There is no way for us to defend ourselves against our own government even if we felt it had to be overthrown for whatever reason. It is for these reasons, as well as others not stated, that the owning of guns is no longer required, while still being permited, in our society.
Guns should be regulated, and quite strictly, I might add. Had there been stricter gun control, we wouldn't see as many violent crimes as we see now. I use Canada as my example. Canada has as many guns as the U.S. per capita yet they are educated better and have stricter laws concerning crimes commited with firearms. As a result, their crime is less than 1/4 or ours.
BTW, I'm not blaming the gun, I'm blaming those around the kid who should've seen this from a mile away. But, if the kid didn't have access to the weapons, there is no arguing the fact that this tragedy WOULD'VE NEVER HAPPENED.
The kids grandpa was a cop - the shotgun and pistol he used are assumed to be police issued.
Red Lake is only 100 miles from me - they are a tough reservation. They already had metal detectors and an unarmed security guard. They do not do much good when the kid enters the school firing.
It is now coming out the kid was a Native American Neo Nazi . LINK TO STORY From my past experience in law enforcement I know the Red Lake reservation has huge gang problems. The gangs from Minneapolis store drugs up there and drive back and forth. It is a pretty remote area so they are rarely bothered - plus State law enforment cannot step foot on the reservation.
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Yeah......the school shooting have been getting pretty crazy as well as teachers molesting students(theres already been a little more than 40 in 2005).......look on the bright side though.....its better than raising a child on the Gaza Strip....
The kids grandpa was a cop - the shotgun and pistol he used are assumed to be police issued.
Red Lake is only 100 miles from me - they are a tough reservation. They already had metal detectors and an unarmed security guard. They do not do much good when the kid enters the school firing.
It is now coming out the kid was a Native American Neo Nazi . LINK TO STORY From my past experience in law enforcement I know the Red Lake reservation has huge gang problems. The gangs from Minneapolis store drugs up there and drive back and forth. It is a pretty remote area so they are rarely bothered - plus State law enforment cannot step foot on the reservation.
His grandfather was a former cop, he had retired a while back. That being said, he was trained in the propper usage and storage of weapons. That wouldn't have made a difference in this case. There are no sure-fire ways to prevent anything, all we can do is hope to have the right measures in place and keep the tragedies to a minimum.
On a side note, being of any other race than Arian and being a Nazi just doesn't quite calculate in my mind. So, you are against your own race? Hmm, that's funny.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
People use guns to kill people. Change the mentality and you solve the problem.
No, you only help curve the problem. You see, people are not rational animals, contrary to popular belief. We are emotional (read: reactionary) animals and, as such, need laws to govern and guide us. You can change the rational mentality all you want, but there will always be crimes of passion (as just one example) where people aren't thinking straight.
You are right, guns don't kill anyone (it's the bullets, lol), people kill people with guns. Take away the tool and you will be more effective than teaching the person how to use it.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
The kids grandpa was a cop - the shotgun and pistol he used are assumed to be police issued.
Red Lake is only 100 miles from me - they are a tough reservation. They already had metal detectors and an unarmed security guard. They do not do much good when the kid enters the school firing.
It is now coming out the kid was a Native American Neo Nazi . LINK TO STORY From my past experience in law enforcement I know the Red Lake reservation has huge gang problems. The gangs from Minneapolis store drugs up there and drive back and forth. It is a pretty remote area so they are rarely bothered - plus State law enforment cannot step foot on the reservation.
Rumors are if you have to drive through the Red Lake Res, and your car doesnt make it, neither do you. It is a very tough place. Different Red Lake News Story
I also believe that this will give the Native Americans a bad rep for a while again. Pulling some specs from This Page.
Here in Minnesota they are their own "nation" that is why the FBI is conducting alll the insvestigaions. The Natives also have to do something to clean their bad rep. With a unemployment of 37%, something has to be done.
Oh Yea. I see it now. You are from Texas. 
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