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[gsrchad]

alright, im getting absolutly irritated... i have not stopped lifting for like 8 months now... I have aparetnly peaked and now i keep dropping... started at around 210bench max, peaked at about 295 amx 255 5 reps, now, every week i go down... first it was 255 4 reps, then 245 5 reps, NOW today i did 235 3 reps and followed it with 235 2 times and failed at 3.... WTF.... has anyone ever done anything like this... and what did you do to overcome with falling behind.... i life 2 days a week... sometimes more, but not teh same muscle group....i do 3 sets, one warmup... i dotn get it... its starting to piss me off... i mean, i did loose a little weight... say 15lbs... but i dont look any smaller than i was at 185... but this is bullshit..... everything went down, squat, bench, curls, military.. you name it.... i started to eat a load of shit again, weight gainer, vitamins... and nothing... my body is like pissed at me or something.... OMFUCIGY GOD!!!

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[jpeg420]

maybe your body is burned out, maybe you should give the heavy lifting a little break just lift light then go back to it after maybe a week or two, just my 2cent

[sp3cialk]

yea, you can't just jump back in real fast. your body needs to readjust.

[djshooter22]

The weight loss is the reason. You are losing muscle mass. If you figure up your lifting weight/body weight ratio it is still about the same. If your body is rejecting your tries to gain more weight then let it be. Your body knows what is best for it and you are doing what you can to take care of it. If you started any new workout routines like running you can lose a lot of weight you did not expect, just a thought.

[Vinh]

me too man....

i started at 135 and then peaked at 265

i can barely do 175 lbs 8 times

[NoiSe]

My advice would be to take a week off training completely. Rest plays an important role in things like that, and if you're not getting your 8 hrs of sleep every night, it's gonna affect your workouts.
Then when you go back, train a certain bodypart not more than once a week. It is better to give your best on that one day of the week for chest, and then let it rest until the next time you do it. You may not have been giving it enough time to recuperate. You gotta remember that even though your muscles can handle the load, you are overtaxing your central nervous system (CNS), which is gonna lead to some serious overtraining.

Give your body a break. See how it feels when you go back. Usually when I take a week off, I come back stronger. And if not stronger, I'm full of new energy.

You may also want to switch your routine up a bit. Do bench press with dumbells for a month. Or do incline instead of flat (incline owns flat and decline anyway) for a bit. Stir things up...

Good luck

[gsrchad]

i dont know what it is...
but i think your correct on the body weight to max bench ratio being the same...
i quit for a 2 weeks at one time... acutally about a motn ago... and didnt help... still kept dropping.... it had to have been my muscle mass... but i dont look smaller.. i actually look more cut.. which leads me to believe that i lost fat... but i dont know.. i see myself everyday so its hard to say...

im going to jump on the calorie band wagon and get more sleep... That i know i have been slacking on.. the past 3 weeks, i ahve been running on 3 hours of sleep 5 out of the 7 days.....

thats for the help guys...

feel free to add more if you think of something...

[Ellocodetroit]

I was stuck at 220 in october 2004. I just couldn't get 225 up. I took a week off then hit the gym 3 times a week instead of everyday or 5 days a week. Then I was able to get 225 up. But I still couldn't lift it more then 4 times. I changed up my routine in December 2004 I started doing only 2-3sets with 6-8 reps. My bench is up to 265. Bottom line a week off does a body good, change up your routine. Are you taking protein? If you are you should take at minnum 1gram per pound of body weight.

[IronFist]

There is a saying in weightlifting, "only the mediocre are always at their best." In other words, you shouldn't try to always lift at your max, or even close to it, every workout. How many people do you see in the gym who lift the same weights year after year? Most of them. Without structured cycling of your weights you're not going to make continual progress because neurologically and physically you will plateau and your body will start to regress. Look at how powerlifters train: they set up their schedule months in advance so that they'll peak on a certain day for competition, and then they start over. And that ramping up to prepare for the competition will consist of multiple cycles within cycles, too.

So, give yourself a break, and then start light and work back up to it. If you keep trying to force the heavy weights you'll lose more and more size and strength.

btw, how much do you weigh, and how much can you squat (ass to the ground) and deadlift?

[IronFist]

<rant>

I have to put in my obligatory comments here:

1. Your bench doesn't count unless you go all the way down to your chest and back up, you keep your ass on the bench (arching your back is fine -- and encouraged) and you don't thrust your ass up (humping the ceiling) to cheat the weight back up.

2. Your squat doesn't count unless you break parallel (the ASIS of your hip goes below your knee).

None of that half-ROM frat boy shit.

</rant>

Not that I give a shit how much anyone online SAYS they can lift anyway, but I'm so sick of seeing people who are like "oh yeah, I can squat x amount of weight" and then we go to the gym and it's some bullshit thighs-barely-get-to-45-degrees squat and then they go back up. Fvck. I can squat 500lbs if I only have to go down half way. Shit.

K, I know this was totally uncalled for, but I see this shit at the gym ALL THE TIME so I'm just venting. Cheers.

Note: People with injuries are excused from having proper form. If you can't bench or squat with full ROM (range of motion) because of an injury, that's fine. But if you bench or squat with a half-ROM so you can use 100lbs too much then you're a douche bag.

[sp3cialk]

^you've ranted about this before, but i completely agree

[Ellocodetroit]

Originally Posted by IronFist

<rant>

I have to put in my obligatory comments here:

1. Your bench doesn't count unless you go all the way down to your chest and back up, you keep your ass on the bench (arching your back is fine -- and encouraged) and you don't thrust your ass up (humping the ceiling) to cheat the weight back up.

2. Your squat doesn't count unless you break parallel (the ASIS of your hip goes below your knee).

None of that half-ROM frat boy shit.

</rant>

Not that I give a shit how much anyone online SAYS they can lift anyway, but I'm so sick of seeing people who are like "oh yeah, I can squat x amount of weight" and then we go to the gym and it's some bullshit thighs-barely-get-to-45-degrees squat and then they go back up. Fvck. I can squat 500lbs if I only have to go down half way. Shit.

K, I know this was totally uncalled for, but I see this shit at the gym ALL THE TIME so I'm just venting. Cheers.

Note: People with injuries are excused from having proper form. If you can't bench or squat with full ROM (range of motion) because of an injury, that's fine. But if you bench or squat with a half-ROM so you can use 100lbs too much then you're a douche bag.

Everytime I try to get my legs parallel on the squat my left knee starts to hurt. Thanks alot to my college wrestling teammate my knee hurts when I squat, or my ass lands on my left knee at the skatepark. I always try to get as close as possible.

[NoiSe]

Originally Posted by IronFist

<rant>

I have to put in my obligatory comments here:

1. Your bench doesn't count unless you go all the way down to your chest and back up, you keep your ass on the bench (arching your back is fine -- and encouraged) and you don't thrust your ass up (humping the ceiling) to cheat the weight back up.

2. Your squat doesn't count unless you break parallel (the ASIS of your hip goes below your knee).

None of that half-ROM frat boy shit.

</rant>

Not that I give a shit how much anyone online SAYS they can lift anyway, but I'm so sick of seeing people who are like "oh yeah, I can squat x amount of weight" and then we go to the gym and it's some bullshit thighs-barely-get-to-45-degrees squat and then they go back up. Fvck. I can squat 500lbs if I only have to go down half way. Shit.

K, I know this was totally uncalled for, but I see this shit at the gym ALL THE TIME so I'm just venting. Cheers.

Note: People with injuries are excused from having proper form. If you can't bench or squat with full ROM (range of motion) because of an injury, that's fine. But if you bench or squat with a half-ROM so you can use 100lbs too much then you're a douche bag.

LOL thank you! I'm tired of seeing those asshats at the gym too..

I think generally it's said that if you can do a full squat with at least your body weight, you are doing good. I am 160 lbs and squat 205 ass to grass for about 6 reps. I've only maxed out once on squats, and it was some time ago, but I did 245.. again, full squat, below the parallel.

Never maxed out on flat bench, and don't think I ever will. Not only is it a poor measure of upper body strength, but also for someone like me, who trains strictly for looks, it's of little benefit. You wanna know how strong you are, do cleans and/or snatches.

[IronFist]

Originally Posted by NoiSe

Never maxed out on flat bench, and don't think I ever will. Not only is it a poor measure of upper body strength, but also for someone like me, who trains strictly for looks, it's of little benefit. You wanna know how strong you are, do cleans and/or snatches.

Hehe. I know some people who really hate bench press. They say overhead press is the ultimate test of functional upper body strength. Whatever. I like bench, personally. If I ever have a big biker guy or something sitting on my chest I'd like all the strength I can get to help push him off. Haha. I don't agree that it's a poor measure of upper body strength, but I can understand why some people might not think it is.

Cleans and snatches are hardcore, but they're also very technical lifts so you guys should take the time to learn them if you want to do them. I don't do any Oly lifts yet. I test my strength with the powerlifts (squat, bench, deadlift) and pullups.

If you train strictly for looks, what do you do for chest?

[02rdcivic]

Im tired of going to the gym and seeing people act all big and tough and when it comes to doing the exercise there body is in constant motion. I glanced over a couple of times at a guy that was doing bicep curls standing up with the bar and his whole upper body would constantly move to bring the weight up. You should be able to stand in one position and do the weight and if you cant your trying to much weight and it will only result in an injury. Sorry thats my rant.