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Old 11-01-2004   #1 (permalink)
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Kerry winning = lower gas prices

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Heh heh. Hate to burst your bubble (and I'm pro-Kerry) but if ti does go down it would only be for a couple hundred days, then they'll go right back up.

It is called peak oil, we've hit it and the prices will never go down even if we took all the oil in Iraq, because all that oil will be resold to the rest of the world, and the rest will go into our military storage.
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Heh heh. Hate to burst your bubble (and I'm pro-Kerry) but if ti does go down it would only be for a couple hundred days, then they'll go right back up.

It is called peak oil, we've hit it and the prices will never go down even if we took all the oil in Iraq, because all that oil will be resold to the rest of the world, and the rest will go into our military storage.
Actually, the reason it's been so high is because of the mess that Bush has made of Iraq. If that is ever cleared up then fears of oil shortages due to political coups would quell and oil could drop back to it's reasonable range. Read the article. Kerry is thought of as the person who will clean up Bush's mess in the Middle East by the rest of the world. They are probably right.
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Gas prices were high even before Bush took office. I remember because I was driving the january before the elections and I was paying 2.10 for gas...it had gone up 20 cents in two weeks before I got my license....

the main reason is because the oil companies are greedy, but then prices can be attributed to peak oil, liek I said we've hit it, since peak oil is here the cost to refine oil will increase and the cost will be passed on to us.

I'm not saying prices wont go down at all, I'm saying the drop will be temporary, regardless of whether Kerry cleans up the mees Bush has made.
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The only way they will ever go down is if we reduce our consumption. Kerry actually has the right idea (choke, gasp). Too bad there is no way to implement it - there is no way the US would pass legislation forcing its citizens to cut down on oil consumption. Although his plan on giving $$ to the auto companies to produce more fuel efficient vehicles sounds promising.

I suppose it is also Bush's fault the Gulf was nailed with hurricanes cutting off shore production. I agree the Iraq mess is part of the problem, but not the entire problem. To say gas prices will decrease because either is elected is complete in my opinion.

The article was a good read though - nice find.
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LOL- ignorance must be bliss.... Bush is just the cause of everything right? I mean lets put a Kerry into office... now thats a good idea! Lets have a preisdent who cannot make a decision and keep it.
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I mean lets put a Kerry into office...
Sounds good to me ...
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The only way they will ever go down is if we reduce our consumption. Kerry actually has the right idea (choke, gasp). Too bad there is no way to implement it - there is no way the US would pass legislation forcing its citizens to cut down on oil consumption. Although his plan on giving $$ to the auto companies to produce more fuel efficient vehicles sounds promising.
This was an idea Al Gore had in 2000. He wanted to encourage auto makers to make more hybrid and fuel efficient cars. People have already shown that they are interested in the technology and are buying it. The Prius actually has waiting lists. Car companies just need to be "persuaded(paid)" to expand the technology and make it more widely availiable.
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LOL- ignorance must be bliss.... Bush is just the cause of everything right? I mean lets put a Kerry into office... now thats a good idea! Lets have a preisdent who cannot make a decision and keep it.
Often I wonder if people are actually talking out their asses. How many people can truly say they know how oil prices are determined?

Oil prices are bid for, that's right, bid for, like E-Bay. People make bids to purchase oil at a certain amount for the next xxx period of time from vendors like OPEC. So, they bid and the oil companies can accept or say "too low, try again." Either way, the circumstances in the World drive oil bids higher because of uncertainty. A stable region brings prices lower because of less speculation. Less consumption would, too because of supply and demand curves.
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The biggest waste in my opinion are those dip shit women who have the biggest fvcking SUV they could get and have one maybe two kids, and most of the time they drive around alone.....

I've fit 4 people all 6 feet and over with minimal discomfort....why does a 5'4" woman with 2 4 foot brats need a vehicle bigger then my 1st apartment to drive three blocks to school , then 2 miles to get groceries...

now multiply that by millions....

although we may be a huge consumer, China is beginning to rival us in consumption of fossil fuels because they are developing into an industrialized nation.
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Often I wonder if people are actually talking out their asses. How many people can truly say they know how oil prices are determined?

Oil prices are bid for, that's right, bid for, like E-Bay. People make bids to purchase oil at a certain amount for the next xxx period of time from vendors like OPEC. So, they bid and the oil companies can accept or say "too low, try again." Either way, the circumstances in the World drive oil bids higher because of uncertainty. A stable region brings prices lower because of less speculation. Less consumption would, too because of supply and demand curves.
so then by this speculation and teh article originally posted, Kerry would Win office, as someone said (for lack of a better term) "clean up Bush's Mess" in the middle east, and with that calmness oil prices would go down?

Thats fine and dandy on the Assumption that Kerry had the Skill or Intestinal Fortitude to deal with the Middle East. He cant just stoll into the White House and say, ok everyone pack your gear we have decided to back out on a commitment to multiple foreign Dignataries and THIER people to finish the Iraq deal to the end... Like the US commited too.
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The biggest waste in my opinion are those dip shit women who have the biggest fvcking SUV they could get and have one maybe two kids, and most of the time they drive around alone.....

I've fit 4 people all 6 feet and over with minimal discomfort....why does a 5'4" woman with 2 4 foot brats need a vehicle bigger then my 1st apartment to drive three blocks to school , then 2 miles to get groceries...

now multiply that by millions....

although we may be a huge consumer, China is beginning to rival us in consumption of fossil fuels because they are developing into an industrialized nation.
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LOL- ignorance must be bliss.... Bush is just the cause of everything right? I mean lets put a Kerry into office... now thats a good idea! Lets have a preisdent who cannot make a decision and keep it.
exactly..........everyone thinks that our problems will go away with another president. We'll see when that dipshit Kerry gets in
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economicly speaking the president doesn't have an affect on gas prices. OPEC and the lack of venezuelan gas is what is rising the prices .. if kerry coems into office there really isn't going to be a drop in prices.

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Often I wonder if people are actually talking out their asses. How many people can truly say they know how oil prices are determined?

Oil prices are bid for, that's right, bid for, like E-Bay. People make bids to purchase oil at a certain amount for the next xxx period of time from vendors like OPEC. So, they bid and the oil companies can accept or say "too low, try again." Either way, the circumstances in the World drive oil bids higher because of uncertainty. A stable region brings prices lower because of less speculation. Less consumption would, too because of supply and demand curves.

so true, and if you look the production possiblities curve is shifting, and realisticly unless something really big happens prices will NEVER go down regardless who is in office in America. That and we have lower gas prices than anyone else in the world, thats right Americans pay the least for gas globally. Don't believe me? Ask a canadian, or a German, or a Brit.
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Lets have a preisdent who cannot make a decision and keep it.


you don't understand thats his plan! If he keeps changing positions everyone will have to agree with him at one point or another .... and then maybe we'll forget that he only had our view for a day or two
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BTW, my ketchup prices are inflation too high ... can kerry help that one out?
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you don't understand thats his plan! If he keeps changing positions everyone will have to agree with him at one point or another .... and then maybe we'll forget that he only had our view for a day or two
LOL SO TRUE! I cannot find the link right now but there is a link that has tons of John Kerry interviews and each one shows how he eats his own words and changed what he says. Its priceless.
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^I'd love to see you dillholes go and make thousands of speeches and do thousands of interviews and not stumble all over yourselves....

Every politician changes their damned minds, and they change their stories...your just too stupid to see that, so you jump over a guy who is running for president who wants to do a good job because he changes his mind.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe there is a reason that he changed his mind, whether it be personal convictions, money, black male etc...

Bush changes positions just as much as Kerry, if not more.
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does anyone else see how fake and untrustworthy kerry is...you all can flame me as much as you want....but later down the road youll think back and remember me saying htis
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Bush is just as phoney...and Bush is completely worthless in the trust department...do you not see all the lies he's fed to you the past 4 years?

you keep spewing the same shit every other republican is...

He's fake
He's a liberal
He's a flip floper
He isn't a war hero

I can go on...

You know I noticed recently that there are a whole shit load of books denegrating Bush and his administration. SO I did a little investigating, and I found and article that noted the exact thought I had.

No president in history has ever had protests against him as much as Bush has had.
No president in history has ever had so many books written about him that was in support of his policies, but questioning his ability to lead.
No president in history has ever had such a divided country.

Do you not see that no president has ever been questioned so much in history?
To me that means:
1. He really isn't fit for presidency.
2. We have a lot of people who realize this and are speaking out.

Now I generally don't go with the crowd on things, but it makes you think...why are so many people taking an active approach towards speaking out?

I think it is because Bush is a lamebrain college failure given a passing grade because of his last name.
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