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As for important policy... the character of my president is important to me...... just as you've known me to rip on whores on the site.. and cowards (When riley wanted to have an abortion because he couldn't afford it)...... ect ect
I've seen quite a few documentaries on people that served with Kerry.... most of whom said he was a coward.... and that he did in fact shoot himself to come home.
That's a boldface lie. The man did not shoot himself to come home. The people in those swift boat ads are proven liars. The same guys are on video in 1996 claiming that Kerry was a hero and that they witnessed his heroism. You can't say you believe that crap and then say "I'm not right wing". Did you see anything from the numerous guys who actually served with Kerry on his boat and support him?
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So, you're telling me that you would agree with ignorance? An ignorant person preaching about things he has no clue about (John Stewart aside from this) Anyone, in general, does not have the right to preach about something he has no clue about.... and you've shown this throughout this thread. If someone comes into the thread, and throws out some BS right wing ignorance.... you're quick to jump on it (from what I recall, i'll go back and quote you) and call BS, or tell them to shut up.
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There's a difference between pointing out when someone is innaccurate or disagreeing with them and saying they don't have the right to say it. Obviously they do. But that's why the rest of us have the right to tell them they're wrong.
I really fail to see where you disagree with me. You think John Stewart is wrong and you say so. That's what I do when I think someone is wrong. I usually try to prove why they're wrong, however you haven't given an example of Stewart's ignorance.
Yes, I did see a few that did support him... but more not than did.
However, not one man that actually served with him on his boat has disputed him. Only guys who didn't serve with him and have admitted to having "no proof whatsoever" of their claims. Plus the same guys that are now claiming he lied, claimed he was a hero in 1996. Plus the swift boat guys' own military records corraborate John Kerry's story. Not to mention that one of these guys works for the Bush administration on veteran's affairs and the group as a whole has been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by republican donors to run the ads. You still believe them?
Like I said, i have not watched the show enough to cite exact examples...... but enough to I guess form an opinion....... well, Now that I think of it.. if i can't cite examples.. I guess i havn't watched it enough to form an opinion...
Hrm, :shrugs:
That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just haven't seen any commentary from Stewart. The show is pretty tough on both parties and it's all based in satire.
LOL
As for important policy... the character of my president is important to me...... just as you've known me to rip on whores on the site.. and cowards (When riley wanted to have an abortion because he couldn't afford it)...... ect ect
I've seen quite a few documentaries on people that served with Kerry.... most of whom said he was a coward.... and that he did in fact shoot himself to come home.
:shrugs: Then he came home and protested the war...... sounds a bit fishy to me
But, whatever...... I just don't want everyone to get pissed off and start throwing around BS and flaming.
Not even the SBVFT have accused him of 'shooting himself', though many have accused him of taking schrapnel from grenades he or his crewmates have thrown while not in combat. The bottom line on all of these are the 8 of his 9 crew mates (people who served on his boat) support him. Many of the people that suppor the SBVFT never met Kerry, though they firmly beleive that his actions AFTER the war are why he shouldn't be president. (there was a pretty good interview about that on the O'Reilly last night where he interviewed John O'Neil (author of Unfit for Command))
Three main problems I have with accusations at Kerry:
1. Anyone who never went to Vietnam (but could/should have) should simply not mention it as an issue, and pay all Vets the respect they are due. Anyone who went to Vietnam, but never served with him during the events they are calling into question should state that fact before continueing. (I have seen to many people say things they didn't witness).
2. Referring to his wounds as scratches, purple heart band aids or saying he never bled (Bob Dole) is plain ignorant. The man went on record as taking schrapnel on 3 different occasions. From what I hear, even the smallest piece of metal can feel pretty painful when it is lodged into your skin (I think its supposed to be burning hot too, but thats just from movies). Specially when under fire from enemy combatants, I bet it can be extremely frightening and distracting.
3. It seems like everyone who has previous war experiance has come under fire(Kerry, Max Cleland, McCain). Is it so hard to assume that when some goes to fight for their country that they did so bravely and should be respected for it? It seems like the people calling Kerry a coward, are the ones who were not on the same boat. (and while I understand that people on the boat next to them can observe his behavior, whose word should I take?)
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That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just haven't seen any commentary from Stewart. The show is pretty tough on both parties and it's all based in satire.
John Stewart is a funny man. His show may crack a few more jokes about the repubs, but I agree with the poster that said this can be explained by the fact the repubs are in the majority. The majority has always been the main target for satire, look at SNL, Leno, Letterman etc... If Kerry is elected he will step into the batters box and be taking the brunt of the jokes.
Look at Clinton, he didn't get off easy (not like he made it hard).
BTW here is an exact quote from 1996 by George Elliot a member of the swfit boat guys
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John turned his boats to the beach, and the enemy was routed. The fact that he chased an armed enemy down is something not to be looked down upon but it was an act of courage.
Adrian Lonsdale, another swift boat guy from 1996.
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It was mainly won because of the bravado and the courage of the young officers that ran the boats, the swift boats and the Coast Guard cutters. And Senator Kerry was no exception. He was among the finest of those swift boat drivers.
One of John kerry's recommendations that said he was courageous under fire, was signed by George Elliott, a member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth(that's from Fox News). The fact is that the stories changed when the republican donotions came rolling in.
Very little of the newsmedia actually goes out and reports anymore, especially on the subject of politics. They simply regurgitate what the 2 sides of the aisle have to say. That's apparently the new definition of "objective". This is exactly how the political parties that crontol this nation want it and that's wrong. I'd prefer to know the truth of an issue rather than the republican & democrat point/counterpoint.
If reporters had done their job and investigated the claims by these swift boat guys, this story would have been debunked from the start. Instead the media waited for the democrats to start pointing out the lies of the swifties and then regurgitated those claims to the public. We shouldn't have had to wait until the democrats came out against the swifties to find out if their claims were true. The news networks are so afraid of being labeled as biased, that they have stopped doing their job. It's really outrageous.
I'm reading a book right now called 'all the president's spin' (just started it). Its very interesting in how it goes into detail how the Presidents administration has been able to control the press and what they write about. It basically does this by making sure that everyone who talks to the press conveys a simple, short message, the same message, and while that message changes, the administrations ability to control the message, and the way its spun doesn't. By limiting the information given to the press, it limits what the press can write about. Not only that, but if every where you go the same message is repeated ad nauseum, then reporters stop digging deaper. I highly recomend the book, or at least check out their website " spinsanity.org " . Its a non-partisan group (though the book is clearly about Bush, it does make mention of Clinton's admin as well as Reagan's) and the dissect all information from F9/11, to Dems to Repubs, in order to get the truth. You see, the president rarely lies, he just misleads and words things exetremely creatively.
I'm reading a book right now called 'all the president's spin' (just started it). Its very interesting in how it goes into detail how the Presidents administration has been able to control the press and what they write about. It basically does this by making sure that everyone who talks to the press conveys a simple, short message, the same message, and while that message changes, the administrations ability to control the message, and the way its spun doesn't.
It's the new politics of talking points. Politicians and pundits no longer feel the need to make arguments. Arguments need to be reasoned out and supported with fact. Talking points do not, they just need to be repeated as many times as possible.
If you want a perfect example that illustrates the worthlessness of mass media today watch OUTFOXED....great movie. I watched it last night.
I think that movie is absolutely correct, but I think it tricks you into thinking that Fox News is the only culprit. All of the major news networks have stopped reporting and become mouthpieces for the parties. They are all slaves to talking points instead of real news and investigation.
I think that movie is absolutely correct, but I think it tricks you into thinking that Fox News is the only culprit. All of the major news networks have stopped reporting and become mouthpieces for the parties. They are all slaves to talking points instead of real news and investigation.
Definatly. You have to go in there with an analytical frame of mind. Question what they say. They used FOX because it is the posterchild of propaganda and worthless news topics.
CNN, MSNBC and the others are now trying to copy the format...basically we have lost any usefullness in the news agencies because they want ratings and profits.
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