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Post Oversteer/understeer causes

The short dummies guide to causes of oversteer and understeer is as follows:


Understeer... you turn wheel, car still goes straight...
Oversteer.. turn wheel and cars ass turns in too much

AND/OR

More traction in rear then front = understeer
More traction in front then rear = oversteer

ALSO

Stiffer front end then rear end = understeer
Stiffer rear end and soft front end = oversteer

AND THAT ALSO MEANS...

more tire pressure in front = stiffer front than rear= more understeer
more tire pressure in rear = stiffer rear than front= more oversteer


Feel free to post up and I'll add to this if you want any more information in here. I by no means am an expert with this, so dont go PM'ing me with a question if you have one, post it for someone else to answer.
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Re: Oversteer/understeer causes

something better in the autox FAQ nooblet.

And understeer, the car doesn't always go straight. The car can actually "dive" sideways as the front end pushes forward.
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Re: Oversteer/understeer causes

I looked through your suspension faq AND autox faq, didnt come across it... please point it out.
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Re: Oversteer/understeer causes

http://www.wtrscca.org/tech.htm#suspension

This one wasn't there because I didn't realize that Mike Kojima's page had changed...maybe you can update the thread with this link.
http://www.se-r.net/car_info/suspension_tuning.html
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Re: Oversteer/understeer causes

Simply put, the #1 cause of all handling problems, be it Understeer or oversteer is Driver Error.

Trying to carry too much speed in to the turn, improper trail breaking, trying to add throttle too soon... ect ect ect...

Sadly there have been very few instances where I've helped someone tune a car where the problem couldn't be traced back, at least in part, to driver error.


on the flip side, there are very few handling problems that cant be fixed by adjusting your driving style...
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Re: Oversteer/understeer causes

In drift cars... the more grip the better controll and thus longer drift one can pull off.... hence why drift car specialise in oversteer with hard/ solid slip diffs, hard suspension and strut brases, decent/brilliant tyres to boot!
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Re: Oversteer/understeer causes

^^ im not flaming you or anything but this is a civic forum why post about drifting?

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^^ im not flaming you or anything but this is a civic forum why post about drifting?

nice post triz!
Drifting is a controlled power slide. Can be performed on any vehicle including FF's.
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Drifting is a controlled power slide. Can be performed on any vehicle including FF's.
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Re: Oversteer/understeer causes

surley when talking about understeer and oversteer drifting is relavent?, if not, apologies
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