Honda Civic SuspensionHonda Civic Suspension can do many beneficial things. Some lower the suspension for style while others do it for racing. This is where you can give and take information about the Honda Civic Suspension setup.
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yoo. whats up guys. i was talkin with a few of my autox buddies and they told me that i might be able to benefit better handling if i removed my front sway bar. they told me the front sway bar is to prevent oversteer for the granny drivers etc which doesnt have performance in mind. i heard about people doing this on preludes and teggys but not a 7th gen. should i do it or not? i am more into touge style/canyon driving if that helps any.
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Just disconnect one endlink and see what happens. You will have less turn-in speed, but better turn-out speed. Therefore, it will "dig" a little more entering the turn, but "dig" less coming out of the turn. Racers say "slow in, fast out".
What year is your car? What rear sway do you have? If you have a large rear sway, you have to watch for snap oversteer. Given the car is FWD, weight transfer when stepping on the pedal isn't as good as with RWD.
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Anti roll bars have 0 effect on chassis flex... they are an active part of the suspension not a passive brace.
Otherwise, Robb's got the main part.
Pro: More potential traction.
Con: more chassis roll/slower turn in response.
"Potential traction" because you still have to tune the car to work with out the front bar. Just as you can re tune the car to have the same amount of chassis roll & just as good of turn in response. but then that would require re-tuning your spring rates and alignment.
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i current have all stock sways. but i already have a type s sway bar in line. my car is an 02 civic ex sedan. should i do it or no? im aware of slow in fast out but i was also concerned about daily driving with the bar off. i dont really know when the sway is comin in [its my friends giving it to me for free but doesnt know when his new one gets in] would it be safe to run no front sway with the stock rear sway for now?
oh and i am currently running the gc/koni yellow set up.
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I had to take my front sway off last year to swap my exhaust to an EX- the front sway hit the cat, even with the shield off. Its been a long time. The car handles the same. I have a 01 coupe so I had the fat 21mm? bar. I noticed the front was actually lighter with out it, because it weights damn near 20lbs. Around town you wont notice anything, but on the back roads or the track you will notice what robb and zzyzx described.
I'm removing my 01" EX's front sway bar too temporarily cause the bushings are bad and I don't want to replace them on a bar I don't want.
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So then what's the best way to reduce chassis flex? X brace? What's that other brace that you see in the 5th and 6th gen civics in the back, where the trunk is, it's like a criss cross bar? What about a C pillar bar? or that b pillar bar too right? Would all that stuff help with chassis flex?
I've heard people really like their B pillar bars, they do strengthen the car up, but I read after a while their doors didnt fit the same as before the bar due to the flex. A front strut bar is going to hold your shock towers together. If you dont have one of those, go for it.
With my front bar off, i've realized the front has gotten a lot softer and flexed more (could also be due to stiff suspension)- even the slight lip between street and driveways you can feel the front shock towers get uneven when taking it at a slight angle. I need to order a bar, just havent had the time to sit down and do it lately.
I'm skeptical for the xbrace. Doesnt it use the same mounting points as the sub frame? If it does... wouldnt the sub frame pretty much already be doing the same job as the x brace?
So then what's the best way to reduce chassis flex? X brace? What's that other brace that you see in the 5th and 6th gen civics in the back, where the trunk is, it's like a criss cross bar? What about a C pillar bar? or that b pillar bar too right? Would all that stuff help with chassis flex?
Do you want to reduce chassis flex or body roll? They are two different things solved by two different types of parts.
We have a coupe with a strong rear end. There is no need for a C pillar bar, rear strut bar, or X brace in the trunk. They all do shit. The x brace under the car just adds understeer as well as the front strut bar. I have had them both and am currently driving without them and I have more slop going into a turn, but better cornering out of a turn.
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neuspeed bar took away alot of the play in the steering wheel. well worth it to me i hated having dead spot when turning the wheel. after driving with the bar for a while, you will immediately notice the difference if you remove it.
stupid question here, does the rear sway bar have anything to do with alignment? cause i put on different endlinks (dezod) and changed the bushings to ES, and the alignment in the rear went way off.
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indeed. I have the stock springs & struts and I installed the progressive front & rear sway. Since then, my bracket kept breaking on the front sway , so I took off the whole front sway bar.
Now I've notice a much looser ride up front. more comfy, in fact, when riding on bumpy boston roads.
So yeah--more chassis roll definately. BUT, i've noticed after I get into a turn, the car is MUCH more balanced . I haven't gotten silly with it yet, but it seems to have much less understeer.
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neuspeed bar took away alot of the play in the steering wheel. well worth it to me i hated having dead spot when turning the wheel. after driving with the bar for a while, you will immediately notice the difference if you remove it.
stupid question here, does the rear sway bar have anything to do with alignment? cause i put on different endlinks (dezod) and changed the bushings to ES, and the alignment in the rear went way off.
No the sway bar should not affect alignment. The camber arm and the toe bolts are the only things that affect rear alignment.
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, so I took off the whole front sway bar.
. I haven't gotten silly with it yet, but it seems to have much less understeer. 
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