EM21 Restoration 2005 Civic EX Special Edition D17A2
08-26-2015
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Re: EM21 Restoration 2005 Civic EX Special Edition D17A2
Okay, I have run into a problem. I rotated the tires, bled the brakes, and tried to bleed the slave cylinder a few nights ago and could not build up pressure. I figured I damaged the slave cylinder and bought another one.
When I bled the system, I added fluid when the reservoir became low but this only mixed with the old fluid and it did not flush out the old fluid. After this discovery I decided to pump the fluid out until I ran empty in the reservoir and then fill with clean brake fluid. This was likely where the trouble began.
I tried installing a new slave cylinder and still had the same results. I would bled the system but I could never build up pressure to keep the pedal off of the floor. I can get fluid to come out of the fitting with no air. I have a tube hooked up and this is how I know that there is no air in the fluid but I still cannot build up pressure.
My Grandfather believes it could be due to the pushrod of the master cylinder of the clutch system traveling farther than normal with little to no pressure causing the seal to contact corrosion and partially breaking the seal.
I found a few videos on YouTube that I feel could explain the reason why I am not building up pressure.
Does anyone have any insight on the matter? Thank you in advance.
When I bled the system, I added fluid when the reservoir became low but this only mixed with the old fluid and it did not flush out the old fluid. After this discovery I decided to pump the fluid out until I ran empty in the reservoir and then fill with clean brake fluid. This was likely where the trouble began.
I tried installing a new slave cylinder and still had the same results. I would bled the system but I could never build up pressure to keep the pedal off of the floor. I can get fluid to come out of the fitting with no air. I have a tube hooked up and this is how I know that there is no air in the fluid but I still cannot build up pressure.
My Grandfather believes it could be due to the pushrod of the master cylinder of the clutch system traveling farther than normal with little to no pressure causing the seal to contact corrosion and partially breaking the seal.
I found a few videos on YouTube that I feel could explain the reason why I am not building up pressure.
Does anyone have any insight on the matter? Thank you in advance.
08-26-2015
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Re: EM21 Restoration 2005 Civic EX Special Edition D17A2
I decided to pump the fluid out until I ran empty in the reservoir and then fill with clean brake fluid. This was likely where the trouble began.
My Grandfather believes
You now have air trapped in the master (or line) that you can't get bled out through the usual methods. PLUS the master is up high, so any trapped air tends to stay there.
Push the rod of the slave cylinder inward, then pump the pedal back up. Repeat a couple times, see if that helps. If no, then read below
One useful method to try is pressure bleeding with a power bleeder,
another method is using two people: Turn the full brake fluid bottle upside down in the reservoir so you don't have to constantly refill.
Then leave the bleeder wide open and use your finger as a check valve while someone else pumps the pedal. Pump several times in a row then close the bleeder and see if there is improvement.
08-26-2015
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Re: EM21 Restoration 2005 Civic EX Special Edition D17A2
Yep, that might have been a mistake.
No.
You now have air trapped in the master (or line) that you can't get bled out through the usual methods. PLUS the master is up high, so any trapped air tends to stay there.
Push the rod of the slave cylinder inward, then pump the pedal back up. Repeat a couple times, see if that helps. If no, then read below
One useful method to try is pressure bleeding with a power bleeder,
another method is using two people: Turn the full brake fluid bottle upside down in the reservoir so you don't have to constantly refill.
Then leave the bleeder wide open and use your finger as a check valve while someone else pumps the pedal. Pump several times in a row then close the bleeder and see if there is improvement.
No.
You now have air trapped in the master (or line) that you can't get bled out through the usual methods. PLUS the master is up high, so any trapped air tends to stay there.
Push the rod of the slave cylinder inward, then pump the pedal back up. Repeat a couple times, see if that helps. If no, then read below
One useful method to try is pressure bleeding with a power bleeder,
another method is using two people: Turn the full brake fluid bottle upside down in the reservoir so you don't have to constantly refill.
Then leave the bleeder wide open and use your finger as a check valve while someone else pumps the pedal. Pump several times in a row then close the bleeder and see if there is improvement.
I will try all of those techniques. Thank you for the speedy response.
10-15-2015
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Re: EM21 Restoration 2005 Civic EX Special Edition D17A2
Yep, that might have been a mistake.
No.
You now have air trapped in the master (or line) that you can't get bled out through the usual methods. PLUS the master is up high, so any trapped air tends to stay there.
Push the rod of the slave cylinder inward, then pump the pedal back up. Repeat a couple times, see if that helps. If no, then read below
One useful method to try is pressure bleeding with a power bleeder,
another method is using two people: Turn the full brake fluid bottle upside down in the reservoir so you don't have to constantly refill.
Then leave the bleeder wide open and use your finger as a check valve while someone else pumps the pedal. Pump several times in a row then close the bleeder and see if there is improvement.
No.
You now have air trapped in the master (or line) that you can't get bled out through the usual methods. PLUS the master is up high, so any trapped air tends to stay there.
Push the rod of the slave cylinder inward, then pump the pedal back up. Repeat a couple times, see if that helps. If no, then read below
One useful method to try is pressure bleeding with a power bleeder,
another method is using two people: Turn the full brake fluid bottle upside down in the reservoir so you don't have to constantly refill.
Then leave the bleeder wide open and use your finger as a check valve while someone else pumps the pedal. Pump several times in a row then close the bleeder and see if there is improvement.
Everything you replied back to me was excellent. I just did not follow it because I don't really have a reason other than I dismissed power bleeder because I did not know what it was at the time.
I tried to bench bleed the slave, replace the slave, I bought and almost replaced the clutch master cylinder, I tried slowly bleeding the system with the pedal, and I tried gravity bleeding the system. The gravity bleeding the system worked a little to firm up the pedal but it still would stay on the floor.
I finally went to Proctor Honda in Tallahassee and spoke to a mechanic there who said that what they do there is use air pressure of about 7 lbs with a power bleeder and it is done in no time flat. He assured us that we did not need to bring it in and pay us because we could bleed it ourselves without the power bleeder. This was not true. I went on Amazon to find one of these power bleeders and located this:
And this:
Then I got to thinking. Someone is likely smart enough to have figured out how to make their own tool for cheaper and get it to work. So I checked YouTube and found this:
I copied this for under $20. I did not add a gauge or a check ball valve. In less than one minute I had a rock hard pedal. I will never bleed another system again using any other tool other than this tool, the power bleeder.
I will make a video of mine soon.
10-15-2015
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Re: EM21 Restoration 2005 Civic EX Special Edition D17A2
It is also worth mentioning that almost 3,000 miles has been put on this vehicle since the installation of all the parts listed in the first message of this thread.
I have not received any CEL's or experienced any performance issues with the Bosch spark plugs. The car pulls strong and consistent. The car was never taken above 3k rpm until after the 500 mile break in period for the clutch. After the break in period, the engine did not go above 4k rpm. The car is not built to be raced. It is a reliable daily driver.
I have not received any CEL's or experienced any performance issues with the Bosch spark plugs. The car pulls strong and consistent. The car was never taken above 3k rpm until after the 500 mile break in period for the clutch. After the break in period, the engine did not go above 4k rpm. The car is not built to be raced. It is a reliable daily driver.
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