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for the guys concerned about wheel rubbing because they are using 17" rims, well, here goes a little more extreme cases...
Follow some quote from Max about 18" wheels in a 6th gen - who would have thought about it? not me... Always thought 17" would be the most... But they still harsh rides, as described by max.:
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Originally Posted by maxtierney
Thanks sdaidoji.
Stock Height/Small Drop (one/two finger gap):
You shouldn't have problems other than your speedo will be a little off. Your tires are almost 1/2" taller than the stock 185/65-14s for an EX. 205/35-18s might be a better choice, but I know the 215s are way more common. Good luck on finding a cheap set of 205s, too. There is a 205/30-18 tire, but only one company makes it. You better have some perfect roads in your neighborhood to rock these.
No issues with wheel fitment, rims are 45 offset with a 73mm bore. Just get some 73 to 56.1 centric rings, or you'll get some high speed wobble.
Dropped (flush/tuck):
You have a crazy amount of camber to play with (the joys of double-wishbone fronts/multi-link rears). Depending on how far you are dropped, you'll need to adjust camber, as required. You'll probably have to roll your fenders (fronts, I am almost certain). You're gonna rub.
I know this may sound a little funny coming from a guy rolling on 19s, but I just dont see that many with 96-00 Civics on 18s (not since the first couple of Vin Diesel and Paul Walker movies, anyways). And when I do, they're usually at/near stock height.
Most with drops I see nowadays are on 15/16s, with the occasional 14s and 17s in the mix.
Running 19x7.5 Forged Traklites with 215/35/19s. 17.5lbs. Dropped 2" on Tein Flex Coilovers, 0857 Raised Steering Bracket, J's Racing Tie Rods and RCAs. Rolled Fenders. -2 degrees front / - 1.5 degrees rear camber. 8+ years with no issues, no rub.
People don't realize that they're 19s until they ask (most common remark is that they look like 17s). I guess the flat black color doesn't make them look so oversized. My gunmetal set are another story. They look huge. I guess color does make difference.
Try to go forged if you can. Cast 19s will push you well into the mid-20lb range. For reference, steelies are about 18 lbs. You think your Civic is slow now... I can still chirp in second gear with the forged, sometimes third.
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Originally Posted by maxtierney
I guess I should try to answer your question a little better.
Stock Height - No Mods Required
When I was running Neuspeed Sports / Tokico D-Specs (About 1.25" Drop) - I had to mildly roll the rear fenders. Started out at -1.5 degrees rear camber. Increasing about - .2 degrees/year, due to sag. I think I was well over -2 degrees with almost a 2" drop. Fronts were never an issue until...
I dropped about 2.25" Front and 1.75" Rear (settled to about 2") w/ front camber at -2 and rear at about -1.5 or so. Had to roll fronts and remove the fender liners.
You are limited to a handful of tire manufacturer choices. Not too many 215/35-19 players out there. A bit pricier too. Straight line performance takes a little hit. More so, with the cast wheels. Zigzags - no compromises. Stiffer sidewalls are plus for handling, but get ready to rattle some teeth. Women always complained about the ride hurting their *****. I got a kick out of it though. Haha.
I enjoy the look, that's why I did it. If that's what you want. Go for it, who cares about everyone else. It's your car, do what makes you happy.
Your front brakes will looks TINY. The rear drums will look even more ridiculous. I swear I could see all the way to China, looking through the wheels from the side profile. However, cleaning the suspension and brakes are a piece of cake, through the spokes
Gas milage does take a bit of a hit. On steelies I averaged about 400-420 miles per tank. With 19s, I averaged about 380-400 (even with relatively light 17.5lbs wheels). After the 12" Wilwood BBK, 350-370 per tank. Inertia, rotational mass and unsprung weight are killers. Typically, you can go one of two routes: Smaller and lighter for speed/efficiency or Bling for the opposite.
With that said, my next purchase will be a set of 16" Regas or SW388s (12 lbs or so). I just found out they'll clear my calipers and rotors. Better MPGs, Cheaper Tires, a couple tenths shaved and some Russian/JDM Eye Candy, to boot. WIN/WIN
Thanks and kudos for you, Max. You have been repped for both already
Also, Lazlong reported some rubbing issues with 225/45R17, so be careful. they could rub suspension parts if dropped - could also realte to wheel off-set selection, though.
Unless potential rubbing on the inside (suspension components) - outside should be fine
215/50/16 is too big.
it will also increase the weigh of ur wheel making acceleration and mpg worst.
205/50/16 is the correct size you should get. just get some decent tires and you wont even need the extra 10 width, plus u will be saving a lot of weight.
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205/50/16 is the correct size you should get. just get some decent tires and you wont even need the extra 10 width, plus u will be saving a lot of weight.
ditto thats what im running and 0 rub issues but im not lowered yet and only plan on a 1 inch here in a few weeks but from what i can see there wouldn't be any at 2 inch drop either and my speedo is only off by 1mph at 60 mph and its also what honda recommends for a 16 in wheel.
if you compare the 3 stock sizes to each other, they are not equal.
all our civics have pretty much the same speedo calculation but the higher trim models will have the 15" rims. thats where we get the "5%" incorrect speedo fluctuation.
i currently have 16x7 +40mm.
ive ran 215/45/16 and they it threw my speedo off by a few mph slower.
ive ran 205/45/16 (my fav size) and it threw my speedo faster by like 4mph
ive ran 205/50/16 and it was dead on.
all this was checked with my GPS compared to my speed.
so i assure you the 205/50/16 is the correct size for the speedo of our cars.
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and expensive as hell... They are the stock size for me miata... Please buy more of them, so the price will go down... 2nd gen Miatas with hard-S suspension are the only one that comes stock on that size...
LOL, I can figure the speed difference out. I've ran smaller diameter tires before on previous vehicles. I'm more concerned about the unnecessary mileage accumulation, and higher RPM on the highway.
Hey guys, sorry to bring an old thread back, but searching didn't really give me a definitive answer to my question. I just bought a new set of wheels (17x7.5, 40 offset)
and my friend has some "like new" tires he's selling cheap, which are 225/45/17. Would these tire fit properly? Anyone have any experience with a similar setup? The car has also recently been dropped on gc's, and I'm wondering how low I can go before I need to start adding negatice camber to the setup, or rolling fenders. I'm not a wheel/tire/suspension guru, so advice would be appreciated.
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