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READ THIS NOW:

This thread was made so we can keep the research thread to strictly research. All comments, questions, concerns, ideas, thoughts, whatever- should be posted here. This is just to keep the other thread condensed with info for easy navigation. THANKS!!

[susuking]

i read before from somewhere that they someone from asia with a d17a1 had a vtec swap from the honda city d15b which is true vtec. i duno how much work you have to do to make that work though ....

edit: nvm... its just a d17a2 with aggressive cams and bigger valve.

[FGCOUPE]

im not to familiar with ITB set ups but...
once this is mounted and runining in the honda, does this mean there
is no airfilter to save your engine?

dOh?

[TRIZ]

^ a lot of race cars will run these- where the motors get rebuilt all the time. With our car's though that wouldnt make a lot of sence, but luckily there are small filters that you can attach to the end of the velocity stacks to filter the air and save your engine from rebuilds.

[FGCOUPE]

WooooooSh! another engine just puked! lawls!

its a sweet concept but...ill be sticking clear of a ITB imho.

[susuking]

they do sell itb filters... the best is from pipercross.

[AGuyWithACivic]

This is a really cool thread! I was actually thinking about some N/A ideas (head swap, P&P, cams...not as radical as increasing displacement though ^_^ and then I found this. I'm keeping an eye on this.

I can't wait to see your ITB too

[civic-driver]

thanks triz

[djmota]

I noticed a few details that should be adressed. The fact that you don't want to use crower ultralight rods,(because you dont want to rev that high) but you want to get your oil pump modded for high revs are contradictory. Save your money on the oil pump mod and get the rods. our longer stroke d17's are not going to be 9-9.5k revving engines. With a stage 2 cam/built engine you will see peak hp at around 8200-8500rpms. Rods IMO are a must for safety and reliability, dont cheap out on that part. The stock oil pump i think will be fine up to 8500 rpm. But you could check out what stock d16 pumps are capable of of on d series.org. There are lots of tuners that know kpro very well and very few that know ems well, for that reason i would say kpro is the way to go. Not to mention you can use my tune to get you close to what you will need. I think homemade itbs from a gsxr 1000 would be fine for a d17. and cheaper. check out some of the diys on honda tech.

[AGuyWithACivic]

To civic-driver, have you considered using the Civic GX pistons? They do 12.5:1 compression (0_0) cause they're made for natural gas. Poking around Wikipedia, the dimensions seem to be the same.

I dunno...food for thought

[civic-driver]

first the gx pistons where addressed once and with the larger bore i plan on will not work.

second i have been coming to the same conclusion with the rods and they have been becoming very necessary. im hoping the rumors of another company making rods that will be in the $500 range is true and will be availible by the time this build is set into place. if they are that will most likely be my choice for new rods.

third I will look at the other d-series oil pumps and see what they can handle. Im thinking that with the modified oil pump less chance of oil being consumed and just generally less wear on valvetrain. but i will look into it more.

fourth i had been leaning towards k-pro so its good to hear that it will most likely be the better choice. now with the itb setup. i have been leanign towards honda based bikes for throttlebodies just so i can use the tps sensor without modifing as much, i was told honda uses the same on bikes and car for tps voltage range. arent the gsxr1000 tbs like 51-53 mm (not sure)? wouldnt that be to large? from what i have found that would be too big. most my info is based off of here: http://www.team-integra.net/sections...les.asp?Show=1
I have been looking at the Cbr600 because of a little smaller tb 40mm (what i remember of hand) which would be better suited for the generally lower output of our engine but will need to be based off of what it will be after it is built which i would have no clue as to what it would be. i will check out the DIYs on honda tech thanks man. +1

and for the record filters will be used on the ITB setup when i get that far. i might use some sort of a airbox on the end of the throttle bodies to keep sound output down and for MAP sensor placement for easier tuning. havent looked into it much but it is an idea

thanks for all the input guys keep it coming.

[civic-driver]

well that is a list of parts with links and emails of parts that can be used in a NA build and which most of i will be using. Hope you like guys.

[robbclark1]

Originally Posted by civic-driver

well that is a list of parts with links and emails of parts that can be used in a NA build and which most of i will be using. Hope you like guys.

And the total price will be?

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A few comments -

I really dont think that you need the return fuel system, that knocks off 650, and also the rsx injectors most likely wouldnt be needed unless your wanting to flood the cylinders- but its possible that you might need it.

Also, if you go with ITB's you wont need the intake manifiold of course.

Moving over to the research thread.

[civic-driver]

i wasnt saying i was going to use everything on the list.... it was more so if anyone wanted to go the NA direction they could pick and choose what they want. and the total cost i think came to 4000-5000.