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Please no more small pox and anthrax shots. I still have lumps in my arm from my last series of anthrax vacs and those were almost 4 years ago! Don't even get me started about the small pox vaccination....no fun!
I think the H-Bomb is all we need. The Small Pox and Anthrax may be too much. LOL.
Honestly now, is there anything that they have that we need other than oil? Anything at all?
Besides the place is a desert, no worries of harming the vegetation or wild life, and the radiation would not harm the sand.
Man that made me all warm and giddy inside, damn it Matt why did you have to tees me with that.
Ok no small pox and anthrax Clint just 20 H-bombs should be able to wipe out every man woman and child in Iran if not the ones left behind can be hunted down with tactical nukes.
The link below is awesome. It gives you all the information about any nuclear weapon you would ever need. It also tells the history of each and every one, along with their respected ranges and kill zones.
The Ohio class submarine is equipped with the Trident strategic ballistic missile from Lockheed Martin Missiles and Space.The submarine has the capacity for 24 Trident missile tubes in two rows of 12, capable of carrying up to twelve MIRVs (multiple independent re-entry vehicles), each with a yield of 100 kilotons. The Ohio class submarines serve the United States Navy as the virtually undetectable undersea launch platforms of intercontinental missiles.In 2001, The United States alone had a estimated 60-80 Ohio Class Nuclear ICBM Submarines which carried the nuclear capacity of 23,000 Hiroshima bombs.
2005 Estimated Nuclear ICBMs United States----10,925 Russia-----------20,000 France-------------450 China--------------400 Britain-------------185 Israel--------------100 India----------------40 Pakistan-------------15 North Korea-----------2
I swear I hope we can just hurry up and get world war 3 over with already I'm tired of waiting around for all this shit to go down I mean it's pretty much going to happen might as well happen now while were still young enough to enjoy the show.
You guys can't be serious. ask anybody who has been in a war zone, I'm sure they won't tell you one good thing about war. If you're looking for some action and excitement there's plenty of really cool computer war games
and btw, Iran is not desert, its a very beautiful, historic and culturally rich country.
and btw, Iran is not desert, its a very beautiful, historic and culturally rich country.
Sure it's a beautiful country, but unfortunately it's run by psychopaths who harbor, aid, and sponsor terrorists. I don't particularly fancy going to war with Iran because of the other issues it will cause in Israel and Palestine. But they either need to straighten up and arrest all those terrorist dirtbags inside their borders - and not just "arrest" them - or they are going to get a big, red white and blue kick in the teeth.
Sure it's a beautiful country, but unfortunately it's run by psychopaths who harbor, aid, and sponsor terrorists. I don't particularly fancy going to war with Iran because of the other issues it will cause in Israel and Palestine. But they either need to straighten up and arrest all those terrorist dirtbags inside their borders - and not just "arrest" them - or they are going to get a big, red white and blue kick in the teeth.
When's the last time Iran attacked a soverign nation? or an Iranian was involved in a terrorist act? You conveniently forget that it's the US who has started two unprovoked wars based on bold faced lies in the last 5 years while trying to garner public support to attack Iran. and trust me if US could give Iran a kick in the teeth it would've done it long time ago, even now having invaded Iran's 2 neighbouring countries they still don't have the balls to even talk about attacking iran. Iran's military is way stronger than you think and they're allies with china and russia, attacking Iran would be world war 3. and trust me, you don't want world war 3.
Ok truth is right no one wants WWIII, well at least not anyone in there right minds I think we can all agree on that one.
Right my next question would be do you think the president of Iran is a person that can be trusted with the potential to launch an nuclear attack on Israel which by the way he has called for there destruction of more than once.
If you watched the debate when the president of Iran visited NY and talked at the UN he was also scheduled to hold a Q&A session at Columbia university. His opening speech started with a prayer to bring about the second coming of the one who is supposed to bring about the end of days or something to that effect.
Also many people were angered over his comments of the holocaust as a myth and his call for the destruction of Israel.
The problem dose not lie with the good people of Iran but the madman that is leading his country into a path of disgrace and humiliation, this is the same path Hitler and Hussan took.
One thing that IMO gives the US the right to consider Iran a threat is the clear fact that they are aiding and arming terrorist with weapons that are being used to kill US and British troops in Iraq.
Frankly there are only 3 outcomes to this standoff.
1. Iran ceases its nuclear production
2. The world just has to live with a nuclear Iran
3. The Military option
Ok truth is right no one wants WWIII, well at least not anyone in there right minds I think we can all agree on that one.
Right my next question would be do you think the president of Iran is a person that can be trusted with the potential to launch an nuclear attack on Israel
President of Iran is nothing more than a puppet, he's basically a dumb fuck on par with George Bush who is also a dumb fuck and just a puppet, the real people calling the shots in both Iran and America are behind the scenes, in America it is the big corporations and in Iran is the supreme leader and Rafsanjani, the former president and now the head of Iranian assembly of experts, one of the richest men in the world.
So there’s no reason to be afraid of Ahmadinejad since he virtually has no major powers. He is not the people’s president, 45% of people didn’t participate in the election since most of the reformer candidates were disqualified by the Iranian assembly of experts which left only hardliners to be voted for. The reason? Because of 9/11 and the US presence in middle east, which posses a threat to Iran’s national security and hardliners have control over the Iranian revolutionary guard, a very powerful branch of Iranian military. If you look back in history after the Iranian revolution, you’ll see that every time republicans have took office in the US it has been followed by hardliners taking office in Iran. Before the revolution Iran used to be US’s strongest ally in middle east, but after revolution, which kicked American corporations out of Iran, getting Iran back has been on top of CIA’s agenda.
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which by the way he has called for there destruction of more than once.
He never called for Israel’s destruction, this is just a propaganda campaign by the American jewish controlled media to make Iran look like the bad guys and comparing Ahmadinejad to Hitler to use it as a pretext to attack Iran when the time is right. Want proof of this? http://www.officialwire.com/main.php...cent&rid=21219
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So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
The Proof
The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
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If you watched the debate when the president of Iran visited NY and talked at the UN he His opening speech started with a prayer to bring about the second coming of the one who is supposed to bring about the end of days or something to that effect.
So why is that so significant? Christians believe Jesus is going to bring about the end of days, Muslims believe Hadi is going to bring the end of days. He’s a religious person so he chooses to use that passage of Quran for his opening speech I don’t see anything wrong with that.
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The problem dose not lie with the good people of Iran but the madman that is leading his country into a path of disgrace and humiliation, this is the same path Hitler and Hussan took.
Americans were the ones that brought Hussein to power and gave him all the weapons to attack Iran after the Iranian revolution, 1.2 million people lost their lives in that 8 year war which Iranians ended up winning. so it is the Americans who are leading their country in the path of disgrace and humiliation by their stupid foreign policy.
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One thing that IMO gives the US the right to consider Iran a threat is the clear fact that they are aiding and arming terrorist with weapons that are being used to kill US and British troops in Iraq.
First of all there is no proof of this. Even if they are doing this, it is a strategic move on the Iranians side rather than a terrorist act. CIA runs covert operations all over the world wherever it suites their interest, SAVAMA (Iranian intelligence agency) is doing the same thing IF they’re actually doing this. But Iranian politicians have said many times that instability in Iraq is against Iranian interests.
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Frankly there are only 3 outcomes to this standoff.
1. Iran ceases its nuclear production
Why should Iran cease its nuclear production? They have said many times that it is only for peaceful purposes and they will cease their nuclear fuel production only when other nuclear capable countries in the world do the same, which sounds fair to me.
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2. The world just has to live with a nuclear Iran
Sure!! The world is living with America, and America is the only country that has ever dropped the A bomb.
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3. The Military option
This won’t have good consequences. You think Iranians are just going to sit there and not retaliate? You’re wrong! It will be ugly. Iran is not Afghanistan or Iraq, hence the reason why it hasn’t been attacked yet. As you saw with the case of captured sailors, they have absolutely no fear of America and Britain there. They know American military is way too overstretched, Iranians are actually the ones looking for a conflict right now, which, makes strategic sense to me!
My great grandparents (on my dads side) died in the HOLOCAUST. My grandparents where beaten and starved, grandmother was rapped repeatedly.
My grandfather (moms dad) was on a ship in Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. I have had war in my family and I have heard several horror stories. So I feel my family has earned the right to talk about war.
One particular story was, my family and friends where hiding under a house while the Nazi's where going door to door. My great grandmothers sister had a little girl, she was 8 months old, she began to cry and scream. My great grandmothers sister smothered and killed my to be great aunt.
And the president of IRAN said the Holocaust did not happen. I say we show him what it was like.
My great grandparents (on my dads side) died in the HOLOCAUST. My grandparents where beaten and starved, grandmother was rapped repeatedly.
My grandfather (moms dad) was on a ship in Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. I have had war in my family and I have heard several horror stories. So I feel my family has earned the right to talk about war.
One particular story was, my family and friends where hiding under a house while the Nazi's where going door to door. My great grandmothers sister had a little girl, she was 8 months old, she began to cry and scream. My great grandmothers sister smothered and killed my to be great aunt.
So you, of all the people, shouldn't be talking about war like its a joke.
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And the president of IRAN said the Holocaust did not happen. I say we show him what it was like.
He never said holocaust did not happen, thats complete bullshit. what he says is, holocaust didn't happen to just the jews, almost everyone in Europe was affected, heck, more polish people died than jews in holocaust, so why is it always viewed as a strictly jewish genocide thing and why is any research on this matter illegal in many countries, and why are jews still using it as a justification for occupying Palestinian lands?
What the President of Iran said at the university was that the Holocaust needed more research and proof that it actually took 6 million.
What has been said off the record well that might be open to debate.
Regardless of all this what worries the west is the fact this Man has got his eyes set on an ally of the west that is very worried about Iran getting nukes.
