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Have you ever heard of this?
Some believe in it, some don't..I started researching myself and the stuff I came up with is unbelievable, yet believable
It supposedly all started the same year of US independence in 1776 in Germany with the order of the Illuminati and at it's also tied to Freemasonry, we have signs of it even in our currency..
So..for those of you that may have heard or read about this, what do YOU think??
the History Channel did a great documentary on free masons just 4 months ago. It is believable just not with the free masons. Who doesn't want to control it all. Hitler came close but still not even close and that was just 60 years ago.
The NWO is very much alive and well, and Bush and his father weren't the originators of it. In fact, the idea didn't start in 1776 at all (it's just tied to that because of the American Revolution).
The European Union, the American Union (which Bush is pushing, which includes getting Mexico, Canada and the US all into one roof politically, socially and economically) the UN and globalization are only a few key points of it.
It's actually a new form of slavery. A way for the rich to get richer and the poor to stay poor. The Rockefellers are into it in a big way too. The Bilderberg group, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Catholic church (mainly the Jesuits), the leading global industrialists... the membership roster reads like a who's who in the conspiracy theory list.
Good finds ZapThycat, appearently not many here'd like to comment or maybe are oblivious to such an interesting subject. I've read some about the order of the illuminati, about Adamn Weishaup, Carl Marx founder of comunism, Freemasonry, Jesuits and they appear to be all tied up.. wth??
it's sooooo much that it may seem crazy, but crazier it would be if in the future we'd find out that this is all true. Listen, I'm not saying that I blindly believe in this huge conspiracy theories, but there's so much that's hidden from the public which is emerging now litle by little that really makes you wonder
Did you know that every single president of US has been a freemason? Except for Kenedy and he was killed.. makes you wonder
Where are the suppose weapons of mass destruction in the middle east? Maybe 911 was just an excuse to create heatred among Americans against the middle east..and used 911 as an excuse to go into war to dominate 1/3 of the world's largest supply of oil
Shit gets real deep if you start digging. Obviously this sounds pretty effing nuts to many. How could our government do such a thing?
According to this video, after 911, the elected representatives are no longer running the government..hmm http://freepressinternational.com/FPI/nfblog/
it's very hard to believe our own government who we trust for absolutely everything could be capable of doing things like 911 and such..
It just gives me the creeps to think that'd be possible..
it's very hard to believe our own government who we trust for absolutely everything could be capable of doing things like 911 and such..
It just gives me the creeps to think that'd be possible..
I think that's the problem. People jump to the implications of "what if the US gov't planned and executed 9/11?"
If the US is responsible for 9/11 happening, that means:
-The republicans and democrats are working together very closely.
-There is a very tight and close-knit group of people running our government.
-Our gov't seeks to control and dominate it's populace
-Iraq was invaded purely for money and oil
-Every enemy that we look at today is an enemy designed to give more power to the gov't, and take away more liberties from the people.
-The gov't doesn't care about the people it's supposed to serve.
-The media is a lackey of the government.... all the media.
-The military is an army of the government ready and willing to wipe out any "trouble spots" in the country...
and more. The implications are endless, and in the end, it can point only to slavery and death for the vast majority of americans.... and humans. And there's nothing you can do to stop it.
Most people can't even tie their shoes properly let alone keep a worldwide conspiracy a secret.
Use the logical part of your brain that years of smoking pot and playing video games hasn't destroyed. You would need thousands upon thousands of people to run this 'Shadow Government'. How do you keep them from talking? As we've seen with corporate settings, it pretty much only takes one person to blow the whistle on something illegal for the whole world to know about it.
Ever try to keep a secret in a group? Even something mundane as a surprise party is usually ruined by someone. Now imagine a secret on a global scale. Imagine if you had to invite everyone in your state to a party for ONE friend. You'd have to figure out how to communicate with them without the person knowing and how to arrange everyone. That's basically what all these conspiracy theories amount to.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons FTW.
Use the logical part of your brain that years of smoking pot and playing video games hasn't destroyed. You would need thousands upon thousands of people to run this 'Shadow Government'. How do you keep them from talking? As we've seen with corporate settings, it pretty much only takes one person to blow the whistle on something illegal for the whole world to know about it.
Seen the Maddox thing.
It's kinda funny because I haven't smoked pot in years, and even then only did a little, and I don't play video games at all. But hey, regardless.
The reason that people can't keep secrets in a corperate setting is because there is no money in it for them for keeping a secret, whereas there is big money if you don't. It's just reversed here.... there's big money, and POWER in it for you if you keep the secret, whereas by blowing a whistle you are moving against the people that have the power and the money, all in favor of an ideal... the ideal of AMERICA, the land of the free and home of the brave. Haven't you heard "it's better to be at the right hand of the devil than in his path"? Once you take a look at how big this thing is, how deep it goes, all the resources that are stacked against you... you will understand that there is nothing for you if you "blow the whistle". Heck, who will you be blowing it to? There is no authority.... corporations are owned by and in turn own, the government. Democrats and Republicans are both in on it. They have the support of the military and every law enforcement organization. The congress. The Supreme court. Who are you blowing the whistle to? The media is all owned by big businesses also, you know.
And it doesn't take a lot to silence a person that really does have a message to get out... car wrecks and heart attacks are easy to make, as is an "accident", if there was some high value person that decided to blow a whistle to a handful of conspiracy theorists. Remember, a good conspiracy theory cannot be proven. But when you have thousands of people working together for their own personal profit and gain, there are few incentives to leave. Especially for the sake of a public fully of sheep who wouldn't believe you anyways.
But regardless. I have only one question for you Dexter, and it's a serious one that I would like you to ask yourself. Hypothetically speaking, if all this jazz was true...
At what point, or how much evidence, or what would you need to have happen, to persuade you that you were wrong?
Seriously. Because I asked myself that yesterday, and I realized to myself that I would need a lot to really fully persuade me that 9/11 had been planned by the Bush/Clinton - administrations, that a "new world order" was the ideal of the controlling powers that be, that the corporations owned america, and the politicians are puppets of those that own the money... etc.
I'd seriously need a whole lot to convince me of all that, to be fully convinced. I'd need an unrealistic amount of evidence. And if all of it, or a lot of it, or almost any of it WAS true, there's no way I was going to get that kind of evidence, like a public confession from Bush or what-not... and that I had better start looking at what I had right now if I was going to be convinced.
The reason I needed so much evidence is clear: because if this was true, the implications are so drastic and far-reaching that it would jolt the reality in which I lived, my future, my lifestyle... everything.
So seriously, ask yourself. How much evidence do you need. It's not a rhetorical question... answer it. And then you have come face to face with the real question.
So seriously, ask yourself. How much evidence do you need. It's not a rhetorical question... answer it. And then you have come face to face with the real question.
I would need a LOT of evidence. And not from a random source either. If you search hard enough on the net you can find someone somewhere that supports pretty much anything.
The one problem with NWO and secret society theories is, how would we ever know that presented evidence isn't just a ruse to get us to NOT believe in them?
"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing man he did not exsist" We are basically taught from birth that what we see is what we get. If something were to come along and expose EVERY NWO/SS(Secret Society) group, we might have a hard time believing it. But such is the nature of the human brain.
I appologize for my pot smoking video game comment though. Sumimasen. I don't smoke pot and I rarely play video games but I do kinda like the concept of NWO/SS stuff. I was just VERY bitter and pissed off last night. Got into an argument with a friend of mine where he was spouting that crap about 9/11 saying that Bush personally gave the Hijackers flight lessons and even purchased the tickets for them.
He insisted that he had seen it on some website somewhere and they even had photographic proof, yet he couldn't remember the address.
Good book to read though... The Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson. It's a strange and funny look into the Illuminati, the JAMs(Justified Ancients of Muu), Discordian Societies and other wacky things.
The world is going nutz..a lot of unbelievable stuff is happening and it happens right in front of our eyes, yet we don't see shit..or choose not to believe it, even when we see it. We live in a dream world, just like the movie The Matrix suggests. Governments around the world have always wanted to keep control of people. The church for example was created with the pretext of religion, the Lord, the saints, blah blah blah.. but besides it, the real idea behind it is that it has always existed as a form of control. The Catholic church knows far too much..Back in the feudal times, if you were against it, were a researcher or someone that somehow jeopardized the power of the church, they'd acuse you of witchcraft and burn on the stake. Well, things have evolved a lot since then, but we still live in a world of control, not so much physical, but mental. Subliminal messages are directed towards our subconcious though the media as ZapthyCat said. We don't even realize it, but they work like a parasite in our minds whenever reading a magazine, watching TV or listening to the radio..there's messages everywhere.
Not to get out of topic, but another form of control from the government is UFOs. Computers has adavanced our civilization more in the past 50 years more than we have previously achieved in thousands of years making teh world a lot more competitive with people having access to plenty of info. If they have allowed the human race to learn more about us to the point of comencing to dominate the cosmos, why be so irrationally skeptic about so much proof that we have on UFOs? Give me a break, and just accept it, the universe is inmense and there's plenty, plenty of proof. There must be other civilizations far more advanced than us out there. It's absurd to think we are alone when only about 30 kms up into the atmosphere you encounter this vast universe that surrounds us.. whatever.. the UFO phenomena is just another example of how the government controls information..obviously the idea of it changes everything in humanity. Just imagine? Where would the Catholic church/religion stand(and I say Catholic because it's the biggest one in the world) if someday the UFOs were aknowledged by the government??..I truly believe that day is very close
My point is that we need to wake up, and accept that we are living in times of changes, times that are critical in the evolution of our human race, now more than ever, but we must keep an open mind and be aware of what's happening out there..not just live our lives for the heck of it..
Last edited by cubanmike26 : 09-12-2006 at 08:12 PM.
maybe it's time to do some reasearch yourself 
